Tough call? - Printable Version

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Tough call? - Montana Grizz - 08-17-2009

Hypothetical situation:

You are hosting a tournament where one of the rules is that no transport can be removed from the board.

A player reports that he had moved a transport to the edge of the map and while it was still highlighted, he clicked on "hexes a unit can be moved to" to see where else the unit could go and accidently hit the arrow right next to it, "remove unit from map".

Now, he can't replay the move and has broken a rule of the tournament.

Your are the tournament director. How do you respond to this situation?

RE: Tough call? - Skryabin - 08-17-2009

I would choose one of 3:

1) ok, I forgive you, but be careful with your cliсking next time
2) since you removed it and broke the rules you must sacrifice
one of your transports, bringing it alone to a front line under
enemy opportunity fire
3) you are out of the tournament

:)

RE: Tough call? - John Given - 08-17-2009

Rule one - because it was an accident.

RE: Tough call? - Montana Grizz - 08-17-2009

I knew there would be some understanding and forgiving individuals and I agree with forgiveness in this situation, but:

What if one were to take the same unit off the board using the same excuse, but it was about to be over-run or destroyed by fire in the next move?

What if there were two or three transports in that same hex and the same inadvertent removal took place?

The point of the question being, if the rule is not inforced or is subject to interpretation, why make the rule?

If you can in this case forgive the removal of one unit, why not two, etc.?

If you can forgive the removal of one unit, then why shouldn't it be a part of the rule?

The whole things goes back to my post in regard to whether a rule is a guide-line or whether it is chisled in stone?

Pat

RE: Tough call? - John Given - 08-17-2009

Hmm, best way I can answer that is to say that accidentally exiting a unit is one thing, but exiting a whole stack, especially when they are about to be destroyed, is another.

I would simply have the "offender" transfer the points of those units to the other side when determining victory points at the end. In other words, if you exited 30 total victory points worth of units, then add 30 points to the opponent score. Sort of like a "reverse" exit hex!

And nowhere are rules chisled in stone.

;)

RE: Tough call? - Skryabin - 08-17-2009

Montana Grizz Wrote:The whole things goes back to my post in regard to whether a rule is a guide-line or whether it is chisled in stone?

Unless a punishment stated for breaking a rule as a part of the rule it is rather a guide-line I guess and mater of honesty and trust :boom1:

cheers

RE: Tough call? - Antoni Chmielowski - 08-17-2009

There are a couple of variables here :

1) If the offending player reports it to the tourney director, I would leave it upto the tourney director to make the call and would *expect* the offending player to be given a reminder of the rules

2) If 1) doesnt occur and Player 2 realises what has happened I would expect Player 2 to report it to the Tourney director and for the tourney director to take a far harder line on what happens next.

As the Ladder Commander here what I would expect is for the whole matter to be dealt with in private - if there was to be any publicising of the mistake and/or name calling I will deal with it under ROE #20 https://www.theblitz.club/rules_of_engagement/index.php?id=20

Because we are all adults here and at some point we all make mistakes (my list is to long to fit in here !).

If anyone has any questions they can always email me.

Thanks for asking the question Pat, I hope my answer suffices.

RE: Tough call? - Herr Straße Laufer - 08-17-2009

John Given Wrote:Hmm, best way I can answer that is to say that accidentally exiting a unit is one thing, but exiting a whole stack, especially when they are about to be destroyed, is another.

I agree. The eyebrow would have gone up on that one.

John Given Wrote:I would simply have the "offender" transfer the points of those units to the other side when determining victory points at the end. In other words, if you exited 30 total victory points worth of units, then add 30 points to the opponent score. Sort of like a "reverse" exit hex!

That is one way to get the "accidental" removal of points from the match to be returned to the aggrieved player?
As long as the offending player did accidentally remove them. It still belabors the point of the breach of the tourney specific rule.

John Given Wrote:And nowhere are rules chisled in stone.

Then what are rules for?
If the tourney director made a rule of "no exiting units" it should be viewed as "chiseled in stone"?

RR

RE: Tough call? - Herr Straße Laufer - 08-17-2009

Antoni Chmielowski (FGM) Wrote:As the Ladder Commander here what I would expect is for the whole matter to be dealt with in private - if there was to be any publicising of the mistake and/or name calling I will deal with it under ROE #20 https://www.theblitz.club/rules_of_engagement/index.php?id=20

No where did Pat mention a players name. He gave a hypothetical example?
Nor, did anyone name call?

I thought your advice to contact the tourney director in private was a great one.

Antoni Chmielowski (FGM) Wrote:Because we are all adults here and at some point we all make mistakes (my list is to long to fit in here !).

I ran out of paper when I tried to list my mistakes. ;)

RR

RE: Tough call? - Hawk Kriegsman - 08-17-2009

Montana Grizz Wrote:You are hosting a tournament where one of the rules is that no transport can be removed from the board.

This should be viewed by all as DO NOT DO THIS. Very clear rule to me.

Quote:A player reports that he had moved a transport to the edge of the map and while it was still highlighted, he clicked on "hexes a unit can be moved to" to see where else the unit could go and accidently hit the arrow right next to it, "remove unit from map".

I would raise an eyebrow on this one myself. In all my matches of CS I have NEVER misclicked a button at the bottom.

Clicked and moved to the wrong hex = yes
Moved to far to unload passengers = yes
Ended turn without plotting artillery = yes
Used poor tactics = yes