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RE: PzC OOB Question.. - JAFFA - 06-25-2021 Hello Dani A lot of my OOB work comes from world war 2 data book by john ellis slaughter house by Kieth e bonn German ground forces by D Glantz several opsrey books dealing with axis and soviet units and numbers Axis history web site feldgrau web site ww2 web site https://www.ww2-weapons.com/germany-army-unit-organisation-1939-41/ Plus other web sources... BUT they do not cover corp or Army unit attachments as you asked. I have tried to find a source for this information, but to no avail. But I do not give up that quick!! What I have been working on is a list of what would normally be standard attachments ie artillery Stug Btn Heavy tank Btn Pioneer Btn Flak Btn Etc, Ect Then going into the web sites & books, and going through all the units one by one. so I can get a fix on where they were and what corp they were in. This web site for example. http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/ArtDiv/18ArtDiv.htm If you scroll down it shows artillery div 18 for example. was with the 24 corp in Jan, attached to 4 panzer army in 1944 army group south (plus a lot of others can be traced). I also read a lot. and note down where units are mentioned and cross check with the above sources. I'm currently working on OOB's for all the separate army groups (south from 43-45) so reading a lot of rolf hinze. Craig RE: PzC OOB Question.. - Strela - 06-25-2021 (06-23-2021, 06:08 PM)DanTGN Wrote:(06-22-2021, 09:48 PM)JAFFA Wrote: Hi Ian Dani, Start here; http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Korps/XXXXIIKorps.htm And; http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/KorpsPz/LVIPzKorps.htm The Korpstruppen where little changed. I can assist you here if required. The lexicon site is quite good for attachments etc. David RE: PzC OOB Question.. - JAFFA - 06-25-2021 Hours of fun!! http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Korps/Korps.htm Thanks Craig RE: PzC OOB Question.. - DanTGN - 06-27-2021 Thanks David and Craig for the links and tips Good luck on your project Craig! Dani RE: PzC OOB Question.. - Dreamslayer_spb - 06-28-2021 Hello there. I'm not sure if it could be helpfull, there is Russian project that contains various military documents (orders, reports, maps etc) about German-Soviet and Soviet-Japanese wars - https://pamyat-naroda.ru Because its all in Russian then probably most usefull data there should be various maps. There is also the issue that some time ago this project started to change something about their maps (like change format so maps no more downloadable) and most of maps currently not available or their quality was screwed up. Anyway its really good data. How does it could work for people who not fluent in Russian. Go to search documents page https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/?static_hash=8935b2dceb272dabbe47b2e7f692760dv1 (change interface to English if default was not - click "En"), click "SPECIFY". Into "Military unit" put the abbreviation in Russian (like 21 а, 5 мк, запф), you can add start/end dates too. Click "search" and filter results by "maps and charts". Then try to open links. E.g. we can try to find maps that related to Western Front during Suvorov Operation. Western Front = запф, start date 01.08.1943, end date 01.10.43. There are 44 documents of category "maps and charts". Most of them not available as I said already. But we can get maps like these: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=111808636&backurl=division%5Cзапф::begin_date%5C01.08.1943::end_date%5C01.10.1943::use_main_string%5Ctrue::group%5Cmap::types%5Ckarti:shemi::page%5C4&static_hash=f17c913759b99b8f42983e34206f767fv1 https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=100311430&backurl=division%5Cзапф::begin_date%5C01.08.1943::end_date%5C01.10.1943::use_main_string%5Ctrue::group%5Cmap::types%5Ckarti:shemi&static_hash=f17c913759b99b8f42983e34206f767fv1 https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=100813746&backurl=division%5Cзапф::begin_date%5C01.08.1943::end_date%5C01.10.1943::use_main_string%5Ctrue::group%5Cmap::types%5Ckarti:shemi::page%5C4&static_hash=f17c913759b99b8f42983e34206f767fv1 It was just random examples maybe you can find more maps that works. RE: PzC OOB Question.. - JAFFA - 06-28-2021 Hello There Thank you, this is a great find, I have never seen this site before. There looks like there is possible information about many if not all the eastern front campaigns. I wonder if this web site is known by the developers.?? Thanks again for this new great source of information. Craig RE: PzC OOB Question.. - rzhev42 - 06-29-2021 "I wonder if this web site is known by the developers.??" We have been using it for the past 5 years, we have over a TB of War journals downloaded for use, wonderful information. And we also use the German Records. We have close to 1500 rolls for Heeersgruppes, Armeen, Korps, and OKH records. Michael RE: PzC OOB Question.. - JAFFA - 06-29-2021 Thanks Mike That is very impressive, Truly great stuff. I wonder if the gaming community know that, as it's great to know that the development team have such a vast amount of historical data to create the titles from. Can you give us some crumbs as to what is next or when the next WDS blog will be. Thanks Craig RE: PzC OOB Question.. - Strela - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 10:11 PM)JAFFA Wrote: Thanks Mike Some of the stuff we have has been through paying an individual to photograph it directly in the Russian archives. Not too many people will have seen it outside of Russia. Mike puts a lot of time and love into his Eastern Front order of battles... David |
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