(02-08-2022, 09:19 AM)Green Wrote: It may be worth clarifying how Low Visibility Air Effects (LVAE) work, as this is probably where the confusion lies.

If the LVAE % (as defined in the PDT) for the current visibility level is below 100%, then each available air unit is checked separately against this percentage to see if it is actually available for the current turn.

If for example the visibility was 3 and the corresponding PDT % was 75%, then each available unit has a 25% chance of being grounded for that turn. Because of the random nature of this process you may be lucky and all available units will be able to fly or unlucky and none will. More probably you will get something roughly in line with the LVAE percentage. So if it was 75% then you would expect on average that around 75% of your available units would be able to fly missions (assuming they had spotters). If they are not available due to LVAE, they do not appear in the dialog, even thought they are 'available'. 

If an otherwise available unit is grounded for the turn due to LVAE, it would still be available next turn but once again be subject to the applicable LVAE %. So I given unit, even though it is available, cannot always fly.

Clear as mud I hope. If more info is needed there is a 75% chance I will be unavailable.

John

(02-08-2022, 12:59 PM)Ricky B Wrote:

(02-08-2022, 09:19 AM)Green Wrote: It may be worth clarifying how Low Visibility Air Effects (LVAE) work, as this is probably where the confusion lies.

If the LVAE % (as defined in the PDT) for the current visibility level is below 100%, then each available air unit is checked separately against this percentage to see if it is actually available for the current turn.

If for example the visibility was 3 and the corresponding PDT % was 75%, then each available unit has a 25% chance of being grounded for that turn. Because of the random nature of this process you may be lucky and all available units will be able to fly or unlucky and none will. More probably you will get something roughly in line with the LVAE percentage. So if it was 75% then you would expect on average that around 75% of your available units would be able to fly missions (assuming they had spotters). If they are not available due to LVAE, they do not appear in the dialog, even thought they are 'available'. 

If an otherwise available unit is grounded for the turn due to LVAE, it would still be available next turn but once again be subject to the applicable LVAE %. So I given unit, even though it is available, cannot always fly.

Clear as mud I hope. If more info is needed there is a 75% chance I will be unavailable.

John

John, I have to disagree on the calculation. At least in the distant past, and a current game of Kiev 4.0 matches my old test. If the vis limits are for 75 percent availability then exactly that percentage of total air units set as potentially available that turn, rounded, are available each turn, as long as that many air units are actually ready to fly. This calc ignores readiness to fly, it is simply based on total air units on that turn. Then however many air can fly due to vis are selected from those ready to fly. So air recently used can't be selected of course but it is otherwise random, ignoring prior turn selections.

I can pull more specific details from a test. But in Kiev, when vis is 3 hexes, I have always had 8 air units available I believe, and when it is 2 hexes, I have always had 4.

So I will set up a test when I get to my computer and share the results. But I  have never seen more than expected when using these rules, only lower if I use all air listed each turn and there are no longer any available. 

Rick

• If I never used any air units, the Soviets always had 10 air units during the day, and 4 at night, the Germans were always 10. This shows the air units actually available are 50% of the total air units in the scenario (I do believe that if the scenario does not have all of the air units actually available in that specific turn, as John mentioned, then the 50% is of the actual number of units in play that turn, as opposed to those that may have been withdrawn, permanently or temporarily). The number never varied from turn to turn, showing it is not applying a chance of availability per unit per turn, but rather simply allowing 50%, rounded down, to be available, if that many were ready to fly.
  
• If I used air units, it never impacted the number of air units available for use the next turn until those that were unused dropped below 10 during the day. Then whatever number were unused were available - and it was only those actually unused that were available. So for the Soviets, if I used all 10 air units the first turn, the remaining 6, and only 6 of course, were always available in turn 2. But if I used 6 or fewer, there were always 10 available in turn 2. The same for the Germans, but they always had at least 1 unit available in turn 3, since they started with 21 and could only use 10 per turn.
  
• If I didn't use any air units, the list of those I could use changed from turn to turn.
  

(07-05-2022, 12:10 AM)panther421 Wrote: Is there a good reason NOT to use air assets during your turn?  If you don't use your air assets, will they perform interdiction on the enemy during his turn?  Is that effect worth not using some of your air support during your turn?