Mad Russian Wrote:

Ratzki Wrote:Yes, and no. First the yes, a higher velocity does flatten out trajectory, but you have to factor in the maximum penetration potential range of each gun. If you have a gun designed to be in it's maximum penetration potential range at 300m-1000m, then all targets within that range will be easier to hit due to the low trajectory of the shell at that range, not the velocity, and the sights will be zeroed in at this range. Now for the no, start shooting at longer and longer ranges and the trajectory increases as the penetration potential decreases. Plus, the trajectory curve is not perfect, it is flatter close to the muzzle and has a steep downward curve as the shell passes by the maximum penetration potential range. Also, high velocity usually means lighter round weight, and lighter rounds are influenced more by external factors such as wind ect. A low velocity gun might not have the long range penetration potential that a high velocity gun has, but the same rules apply. It's maximum penetration potential range might be 50m-200m with an AP round. At this range it's trajectory could be as flat as the high velocity gun is at greater range. If the sights are zeroed in at this range, then it too can be very accurate.
I handload as well and as Skeld mentioned back a bit, there is a whole lot more going on here then simple speed equals better hit chances. I think the reason high velocity guns hit more often is they can kill effectively farther away, so get better optical sights.

Okay then...moving over to something I know a bit more about....my grandfather was a gunsmith. He used a 30-06 to hunt with. Which in his day was pretty standard. The gun I prefer is the 270 Wincester.

To compare the 30-06 which had a larger bullet to the 270 Winchester which had the smaller bullet is close to what we have here in the larger scale I think. It's about all the balistics I know.

Same scope. Different rifle. Different results.

I think the Germans used the same optics on their tanks but I"ll have to check that since they could easily have had different optics for each and every tank.

But here's what I know. The 30-06 round doesn't drop coming out of the gun barrel but rises. The 270 round doesn't rise as much and is faster.

In a purely velocity discussion. Not taking into account anything else.

The faster the round the more accurate at longer distances. The penetrating factors of the round increase with speed. The faster it's going the more energy it is carrying when it hits compared to a slower round. Not talking HEAP here but just Solid Shot AP.

The less rise you have out of the end of the barrel, the straighter the trajectory, the more accuracy you have at longer ranges. With my rifle comparison what does that mean?

Both rifles sighted in at 150 yards. The 270 with the lighter bullet and faster velocity hits a mark at 300 yards at say 1 inch below the aiming mark. The 30-06 hits it an 1 1/2 to 2 inches below. At 400 yards the 270 hits the mark 2 inches below the aiming point and the 30-06 as much as 3 or 4 inches below. This can be the difference in killing an animal or wounding one.

The same holds true of larger weapons to my knowledge. All things equal higher velocity is more forgiving of the aiming point. You can shoot farther with less adjustments made to the original aiming point.

Good Hunting.

MR

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