(11-16-2011, 11:59 PM)Von Earlmann Wrote: I am pretty sure if a tank platoon,infantry platoon etc goes low on ammo due to firing the only way it can recover supply is thru it's own parent hq and if it is not there it will not be able to regain supply....as far as I can dedeuce the only units that check against base levels are HQs and indirect fire units.

(11-16-2011, 11:59 PM)Von Earlmann Wrote: I am pretty sure if a tank platoon,infantry platoon etc goes low on ammo due to firing the only way it can recover supply is thru it's own parent hq and if it is not there it will not be able to regain supply.

(11-17-2011, 12:40 AM)Kool Kat Wrote: so if a tank or infantry platoon's battalion parent HQ is destroyed... could these units recover supply through a non-parent battalion HQ (e.g. a friendly battalion HQ unit that is part of a different organization?

(11-17-2011, 12:40 AM)Kool Kat Wrote: Or would these units have to recover supply via their same parent HQs? (e.g. If their parent battalion HQ is destroyed... these units would attempt to recover supply via their parent regimental and/or divisional HQs? If these units can't... than they go out of supply?

(11-17-2011, 12:48 AM)Jason Petho Wrote:

(11-17-2011, 12:40 AM)Kool Kat Wrote: so if a tank or infantry platoon's battalion parent HQ is destroyed... could these units recover supply through a non-parent battalion HQ (e.g. a friendly battalion HQ unit that is part of a different organization?

If the HQ was destroyed, it will attempt the regain supply from the parent Regiment HQ if available on the map, as you suggest below.

(11-17-2011, 12:40 AM)Kool Kat Wrote: Or would these units have to recover supply via their same parent HQs? (e.g. If their parent battalion HQ is destroyed... these units would attempt to recover supply via their parent regimental and/or divisional HQs? If these units can't... than they go out of supply?

If these units can't, then the unit will attempt to check supply against the base ammo level.

If they fail, then they go out or remain out of supply.
Jason Petho

(11-17-2011, 12:48 AM)Jason Petho Wrote:

(11-17-2011, 12:40 AM)Kool Kat Wrote: so if a tank or infantry platoon's battalion parent HQ is destroyed... could these units recover supply through a non-parent battalion HQ (e.g. a friendly battalion HQ unit that is part of a different organization?

If the HQ was destroyed, it will attempt the regain supply from the parent Regiment HQ if available on the map, as you suggest below.

(11-17-2011, 12:40 AM)Kool Kat Wrote: Or would these units have to recover supply via their same parent HQs? (e.g. If their parent battalion HQ is destroyed... these units would attempt to recover supply via their parent regimental and/or divisional HQs? If these units can't... than they go out of supply?

If these units can't, then the unit will attempt to check supply against the base ammo level.

If they fail, then they go out or remain out of supply.
Jason Petho

(11-17-2011, 01:37 AM)Von Earlmann Wrote: I respectfully disagree......I have units that have been out of supply almost an entire scenario without a parent HQ and they never regain supply even with an 80% base level........of course that could just be my bad luck..I also designed A Close Run Thing and a lot of the German battalions have no HQ to simulate the low level of Axis supply.....when they go low on ammo they rarely recover supply either....I'm pretty sure in the original CS rules when a unit went out of supply it could only get it back thru its parent HQ....so something has changed.
VE

(11-17-2011, 02:04 AM)Jason Petho Wrote: Does anyone have their original East Front or East Front II manual kicking around?

I would be curious to see what it says about supply in that.

(11-17-2011, 02:00 AM)Kool Kat Wrote: Gents: :smoke:

Excerpt from page 93 (CS Users Manual)

"HQs – An HQ can only provide supply to units under its command “umbrella.” In addition, an HQ is never able to provide supply on any turn following a turn in which it changed its location (this simulates the Headquarters having to set up and re-establish communications).
THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT....THOSE UNITS CAN ONLY GET SUPPLY FROM THAT PARENT HQ....NO HQ EQUALS NO UMBRELLA
Besides that, each Headquarters (exception: Army-level HQs) must also make a supply check at the beginning of each turn. Like a normal combat unit, the Headquarters first checks supply based on the distance from its parent Headquarters; however, if that supply check fails, it then checks using the base ammo level listed for its side."
EXACTLY RIGHT.....HQS CHECK SUPPLY LIKE A NORMAL UNIT FIRST......FAILING THAT HQS CHECK AGAINST BASE SUPPLY.......NORMAL UNITS DO NOT CHECK AGAINST BASE SUPPLY EXCEPTION SPECIFIED IN MANUAL ARE INDIRECT FIRE UNITS
So, I believe the above also answers my earlier question and elaborates on Jason's reply too? :chin:
I BELEIVE IT ALSO VERIFIES MY POINT
Units must recover supply ONLY via HQ's in the same organization... and not from friendly, non-parent HQ's.

I love it when folks go to the CS Manual for answers... and find them! ;)