Dan Caviness Wrote:I make these following points in a constructive way.
All are of course only my opinion:

1. Multiple assaults should still be rewarded with a near "100 percent" shot. If you have enough surrounding units to do it twice and have all defenders disrupted from the start...the chance should go up dramatically. Or, in cases where you assault a surrounded disrupted defender with multiple units from multiple directions you should have a "100 percent" chance of doing serious damage if you don't take them out. You may incur damage as well of course, but in such cases, you should at least put a serious hurt on the defenders almost every time.

This rewards the thoughtful player who sets up such a confrontation and is willing to pay the price (massing units adjacent a defender who is likely calling in SERIOUS artillery to teach you why you shouldn't be doing that) for his chance at the "Canadian Takeout".

2. Terrain and defensive modifications have to play a bigger part than they used to, and now with 1.04 they do. Guys...that was long overdue. But...it can be the most frustrating part of it. When your trying to take that critical bunker or pillbox that is spotting EVERYTHING and you know it's got to go and you've taken the pain....got shot up snuggling up...etc....it can REALLY hurt your entire game to miss that for one or even more turns. I'm playing Von Luck in a Normandy scenario at present. Every German bunker or pillbox I miss on those clifftops costs me lots of VPs for that extra turn or two.
I'd like to see (sorry Jason you write the algorithyms good luck on this one!) a reward to the player that has assaulted the same hex and units the turn before and failed. IE, end the poor slob's misery. If he failed the first turn, it's probably cost him dearly. If he musters up the mustard to do it again the following turn...and the defenders are not getting reinforced...which they won't if they are surrounded...his chance of succeeding on assault should go up.

3. I love the new clean overun when you use armor to assault MG units on open ground. (If 1.02 worked that way I never noticed) No surrounding and multiple direction assaults needed. Assault them, I believe disrupted or not, and they are gone. Over run. It works every time on MG units I know, not sure if some other variant infantry with good armor attack values go down so easily. (probably NOT need to find out) That part makes great sense in the game.

Open ground...infantry....here comes armor...your well and truly screwed. Unless of course your packing a six pack of panzerfausts or whatever. Note the overun is not the same as simply capturing them while surrounded though...they just get ground up into tread lubricant.
I like that part.:chin:

Jason needs to account for that tread lube by reducing the tank's movement cost the following turn...

All told I have come to grudgingly admire the new system.
I do believe some adjustments may be in order, but it is a step in the right direction.

Guys....IMHO...the old way was just too automatic and once you learned the steps that cha-cha was easy to dance all night long...

Alfons de Palfons Wrote:Saying the new rules reduce the game (at least the assault part) to just a dice roll is not fair obviously. Right now with EA there is far more skill needed in the game to be succesful than previously. This new skill however you have to demonstrate over the whole map and connected over a series of turns. There is far more planning and tactical vision involved with EA than without EA. In other words you have to be more creative and use more coherent plans now to be succesful. On a smaller level: if you want assaults to be succesful, you need to take more into account than just making sure the enemy is disrupted. So this also requires more skill than without EA.
With the old rules it was more a matter of doing the Surround, disrupt etc trick wherever you could. For this, just some unit handling skills and very short term planning are needed, I would hardly call these tactical skills.
I don't say EA doesn't need improvement but your criticism is too shortsighted to do anything with.
Huib

Krec Wrote:What about a 5sp armor unit missing the trucks, that is not spot on.

Chuck10mtn Wrote:I guess this might explain why so many people come and go. I've nevered played the S D C method of play and don't think it represents the reality that people say they want. Why is it that some of the people want reality up to the point that it interfers with the way they play the game.

Quote:There is no way that as many assults that happened before the 1.04 really did happen in WWII.

Quote:So do you want reality and the 2 million units that go with it along with the more realist assult or do you want the game designed 200 different ways for each persons and the way they want to play.

Quote:Jason has done a lot of hard work and I believe that he along with the rest of the gang working on the game are doing a good job. I don't understand all that Jason said about how they figured out the new assult combat tables but its a lot more time than I would ever be willing to, So Jason thanks for the work.

Quote: I'm not good at the game and I know it, I play it for fun you know something to keep me busy. The sun will rise tomorrow if you lose because you cannot assult your way across the battlefield. I've had it done to me and you know what I played that person a lot of times because its just a GAME.

Quote:At least now I know that with a losing record I'm concidered incompetent and not marginally good in any phase of the game. Now I wonder why people don't stay and play games here