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Question about historical accuracy - Printable Version +- Forums (https://www.theblitz.club/message_boards) +-- Forum: The Firing Line (https://www.theblitz.club/message_boards/forumdisplay.php?fid=1) +--- Forum: Tiller Operational Campaigns (https://www.theblitz.club/message_boards/forumdisplay.php?fid=11) +--- Thread: Question about historical accuracy (/showthread.php?tid=55781) |
Question about historical accuracy - P.Ako - 05-26-2010 First of all, this question is not related with the korea mod that i'm working on. It has to do with another one that i'm working alone. Would be very historicaly inaccurate to represent WP units until company level? Or due to the tactics that they used would be better to represent them only until battalion level? And that's another question, how many men would form a WP coy? according to my sources would be 97 men, 10 rifle squads, 3 RPG teams, 3 Heavy MG teams and one AA (strela) team. Is this correct? because it seems very few men for a company compared with the 153 men of the USA's coy. Also... about the tank coys a WP tank coy is formed by 10 tanks right? so a tank btn would be 31 tanks (3 coys plus a "leader" tank) and an USA tank coy would be formed by 17 tanks. Wouldn'it? Oh! BTW, mind that i'm refering in the early 70s... RE: Question about historical accuracy - Volcano Man - 05-26-2010 Well, it is certainly debatable either way, but generally a company level breakdown approach should be reserved for "western style" armies where small unit tactics and lower level command initiative are encouraged and relied upon. Soviet (but probably not modern Russian) units in a wargame should have some sort of command and control limitation and generally speaking the approach of restricting them to battalion sized units covers this nicely. You can think of it better that, in maneuver, the WP wields companies as NATO used platoons, and they used battalions in a similar way that NATO used companies (in so much even that a "common" matchup would have been a NATO company versus a WP battalion). Having said that, and barring any Russophiles out there, you can of course make your mod however you see fit. :) RE: Question about historical accuracy - P.Ako - 05-27-2010 (05-26-2010, 06:56 AM)Volcano Man Wrote: Well, it is certainly debatable either way, but generally a company level breakdown approach should be reserved for "western style" armies where small unit tactics and lower level command initiative are encouraged and relied upon. Soviet (but probably not modern Russian) units in a wargame should have some sort of command and control limitation and generally speaking the approach of restricting them to battalion sized units covers this nicely. Aaaand how many coys would have a btn in the early 70s? because according to my sources, each WP btn was formed by three coys, and considering that each coy was only 90 men strong... it would be only 270 men... the smallest btn ever. BTW, when i say WP i mean egypt in 1973, well, screw the secrecy... RE: Question about historical accuracy - Aaron - 05-28-2010 (05-27-2010, 08:30 PM)P.Ako Wrote:(05-26-2010, 06:56 AM)Volcano Man Wrote: Well, it is certainly debatable either way, but generally a company level breakdown approach should be reserved for "western style" armies where small unit tactics and lower level command initiative are encouraged and relied upon. Soviet (but probably not modern Russian) units in a wargame should have some sort of command and control limitation and generally speaking the approach of restricting them to battalion sized units covers this nicely. Cant say for 1973 but in 1984 there were 29 men per platoon X3 plus an AA squad (3 men) and weapons squad (7 men) at Company level and the HQ unit of (6 men) so your looking at a total of 103 men, You have 3 companys per Bn but at Bn level you also have a Mortar Battery (62 men), AntiTank Platoon (27 men) and various support units totaling 455 men, on top of this theres other AA,Recon,AT and various units at regemental level so it all depends on how you want to portray it in your scenario but it sounds like you should be researching for the next few months before you even start designing your scenario, id recommend if you want to know something Russian you have to go to Russian speaking sites its much more accurate than the english so called experts although now that i say that the numbers i posted above are from FM 100-2-3 1984 which is an english book. LOL Aaron There might be at least one FM-100-2-3 book from the seventies if not 2 ( just guessing but im thinking 1977 and 1970), you should look on the Internet for them. I have 2 of them (1984,1991) but none are for the seventies, i didnt need them |
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