Replaying moves and the patch

[Montana Grizz]

There have been a couple of times when making my first movements in a game when I decide that my initial strategy sucks and want to do something else.

I email my opponent explaining that no firing or spotting took place during my initial move and request permission to start my turn over. Permission has always been granted. I would assume that with the new "reporting" patch, that this would be the proper way to handle such a matter in the future.

Thank you,

Pat

[Montana Grizz]

After some research on the Matrix site and information provided by Jason, I see that simply saving a game has the potential of sending the wrong signal to an opponent.

I often save games during a turn for a variety of reasons:

I don't have enough time to make all my moves.
The fact that I like to cycle through my units (movement and firing) in a particular manner and it's convenient to save as I go so I don't have to repeat the process over and over.
The fact that one is often interrupted by social or job related matters when they had planned to complete the move.
Naked woman standing next to my key board and I know that I won't be able to finish the movement until I get some clothes back on her.

For those of us that "save" our games on a regular bases, especially when playing the larger scenario's, but do not restart our games; this will be a bit of a hassle.

I hope my old-time opponents have enough faith in me to realize that I would never cheat and that new opponents might simply examine my win-loss record.

Pat

[Tide1]

Pat making a gentlemans agreement with an opponent before the game starts would work for most people I think. In my opinion players on the CS ladder are honorable comrads and opponents. In the 4 years I've done battle here there has been only one individual bounced for cheating that I'm aware of.

Gary

[Big Dawg]

Naked woman standing next to my key board and I know that I won't be able to finish the movement until I get some clothes back on her.
Pat

Good one Griz!

[K K Rossokolski]

Surely by even suggesting such an agreement there is an implication that one's opponent might be a cheat. I often feel the need to change volume.....to do this I have to save and exit. I like to do game stuff in short bursts. Madame might wish to use the computer. The dog might want to go outside. A million reasons for saving
Also, having used the Defence computing setup for many years, I quickly became a compulsive saver, as one must if one doesnt like redoing work already done.
As George Orwell said...Big Brother is watching!!!!!

[Stryker]

At the risk of going against the tide, surely if the point of introducing the "save" reporting option is to prevent gamers from saving and restarting their turns if they don't like the results, or if they want to use it to scout the map before playing their real turn (which some have actually admitted to doing in the past - and don't think it's cheating!?!), then gamers really should make sure they have enough time to complete each battle turn before starting it. If something happened to interrupt the turn, which it sometimes would, then a quick explanation would be fine... but every turn? I don't think so.

If I was playing against an opponent who continually saved throughout his turn, I would assume they are trying to gain an advantage, however much I liked or trusted them. It doesn't mean I wouldn't play them, because I play for fun, but I would assume they are cheating in some way.

I think for this to work, perhaps people should re-think the way they play the game to fit in with the change, not just say - oh, I save the game all the time but I'm not cheating, and expect everyone else to just go along with it... coz that's not really good enough. If everyone says, no saving, and sticks with it - there's no problem is there? there would never be any doubt.

The only scenario I have ever played which was too big to do in one go every time was "Showdown at Borisov" and even then you could either avoid enormous scenarios, or just play them when you get enough time... simple really.

This is obviously just my opinion, and you all have the option of not playing me if you don't agree :) but I intend to play all my turns without saving, and will expect my opponents to do the same. If you make an error in your first few moves, then live with it... if you mess it up.. then tough.

[The Rattler]

I usually don't save but with a larger/huge scenario complexity 10 sometimes this cant be avoided....:-)

[Hawk Kriegsman]

There have been a couple of times when making my first movements in a game when I decide that my initial strategy sucks and want to do something else.

I email my opponent explaining that no firing or spotting took place during my initial move and request permission to start my turn over. Permission has always been granted. I would assume that with the new "reporting" patch, that this would be the proper way to handle such a matter in the future.

Thank you,

Pat

Hello All,

While I understand what MG is saying (and doing) here I do need to point out that by the definition of ROE #14 this could be considered a violation as you are replaying a turn.

The link to the section is: https://www.theblitz.club/rules_of_engag....php?id=14

I personally believe that the CS community contains stand up individuals. If anyone has concerns that something is amiss with their opponent's "tactics" please PM or e-mail one of the ladder personnel. Do not confront the opponet and do not post anyting on the boards.

Hope this is clear for all.

Thanx!

[Tiger 88]

Guys if this option is going to cause more hard feelings then not - then to me it is not worth it....

As a player - you can generally know if your opponent is replaying turns and trying to get the best outcome against you..If someone saves more than 4 times during a single game then you will have your answer.

I don't think everyone needs to change the way they play their games just so that you show a one or two time game save - do you?

What happens if your the type a player who has many games going (like most of us : ) ) - I will watch the replay, save the game and move to the next one, or take Rattler's comments about playing large games - you have to save - I just think we are going to get into some trouble with this option.....more bad and accusatory than good!

[Montana Grizz]

There is nothing wrong with saving a game. How can one cheat by saving a game? When you reopen the game, you are right back to the point at which you saved it; you can't do anything about a move you made prior to saving.

What can or could be a problem is not saving the game, but exiting and starting over!!!!!!!!!

I always thought the anti-cheating aspect of a patch was to notify the opponent that a player had started over, not saved a game!

Pat