When should Germany have surrendered?

[schnurbart]

i'm kinda with earlman..Germany should never have started that conflict...should have waited for stalin to do it...since imo it was his ambition all along. Then german sympathies wich are not it would seem rare in places like the states would have worked in their favor i think. I am tempted to believe hitler really did set out to destroy germany. At least he seemed to do nothing but bring its total destruction after it was clear his adventure was over