When should Germany have surrendered?

[Narwan]

Periander, I completely agree with that. But to add just one thing, it shouldn't be forgotten that the western allies had shown themselves completely unreliable in the first world war. The germans did throw in the towel but their peace offer was a CONDITIONAL peace offering. Which the allies accepted and then chose to ignore and offer the 'dictate' of Versailles instead. So even a conditional surrender by the germans was unlikely to happen.

Narwan