When should Germany have surrendered?

[Narwan]

Periander;

The scuttling of the german fleet at Scapa Flow happened AFTER the new conditions (the german 'Diktat' seems more apporiate to them) had been decided upon and presented to the germans. The scuttling was a reaction to and not a cause of the terms of Versailles. It did severely weaken the postion of the german delegation though to try and get even a few very minor points amended.

While the allies in WW1 were full of talk of noble motives, in Versailles they again degenrated into the old imperialistic game of land stealing and furthering their own interests instead of setting the stage for a more endurable and lasting peace. Many of the major problems we see today in the Balkan, eastern europe and the middle east can be directly linked to Versailles. The allies made a lot of promise prior to the armistice, both to (potential) allies and to enemies. And quite a few of those promises were broken.

Narwan