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Bridge attack
07-23-2007, 03:32 PM,
#19
RE: Bridge attack
That's an interesting way to shut down discussion.

1) point out that you haven't heard of any, with the clear implication that if there were any to be heard of you cetainly would have heard of them. But you haven't. So they mustn't exist.
2) Make a blanket statement that because of 1) above any examples would be both rare and very hard to find, so therefore ...
3) assume that any examples would be 'oddball', and thus clearly ignorable.

Taken together we have the handy feature of rendering pointless anyone's efforts to find examples. Any examples found can immediately be dismissed as either 'rare' and/or 'oddball'. In fact, we've already seen that in this thread:
Quote:A:
maybe you can provide a historical example of where a operational ground commander ... ordered an airstrike to destroy a bridge.
Quote:B:
late August 1941, during the initial stages of the battle of Kiev
Quote:A:
I wonder how widespread an occurence this was?
So we immediately went from a request for a single example to an implication that it was oddbal and/or rare, and then a request for an unspecified number of further examples to determine "widespreadness".

Glenn raised an interesting philosophical point about the nature of wargames, probably unintentionally:
Quote:There is not a single example that I am aware of covered by one of our existing titles where a bridge was ordered taken out by air on the orders of the operational commander and where the bridge was actually destroyed.
Leaving aside Glenn's lack of research, what are we to make of this statement? Well, clearly bridge destruction within the scope of PzC titles was ordered, but Glenn isn't aware of any succesful ones. Fair enough. But ... what is a wargame supposed to be? Is it simply a slightly interactive movie, in which some off screen director controls all the input and output variables to ensure that the battle unfolds as it is 'supposed' to, and we - the players - are merely along for the ride? Or is it something more open, in which players have control over their destinies, and can try something crazy and out of the box like ... oh, I don't know - using 3.7-in HAA guns as anti-tank weapons, or destroying all the bridges along the Meuse, etc.

Incidentally - it is the case that in most PzC titles the player is representing both ground and air commanders. Bear that in mind while you're thinking who designates targets.
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Messages In This Thread
Bridge attack - by FLG - 07-21-2007, 11:02 PM
RE: Bridge attack - by Aaron - 07-22-2007, 12:46 AM
RE: Bridge attack - by Al - 07-22-2007, 01:40 AM
RE: Bridge attack - by FLG - 07-22-2007, 06:33 AM
RE: Bridge attack - by JonS1 - 07-22-2007, 06:17 AM
RE:��Bridge attack - by Al - 07-22-2007, 06:57 AM
RE: Bridge attack - by Engelbrekt - 07-22-2007, 10:57 AM
RE:����Bridge attack - by Al - 07-22-2007, 11:44 AM
RE:����Bridge attack - by Glenn Saunders - 07-23-2007, 12:12 PM
RE: Bridge attack - by Outlaw Josey Wales - 07-22-2007, 09:53 AM
RE: Bridge attack - by Sgt Fury - 07-22-2007, 12:12 PM
RE:��Bridge attack - by Mr Grumpy - 07-22-2007, 07:14 PM
RE: Bridge attack - by Dog Soldier - 07-22-2007, 01:04 PM
RE: Bridge attack - by Moez - 07-22-2007, 11:48 PM
RE: Bridge attack - by Aaron - 07-23-2007, 12:18 AM
RE: Bridge attack - by JonS1 - 07-23-2007, 10:55 AM
RE: Bridge attack - by JonS1 - 07-23-2007, 12:41 PM
RE:��Bridge attack - by Glenn Saunders - 07-23-2007, 02:12 PM
RE: Bridge attack - by JonS1 - 07-23-2007, 03:32 PM
RE:��Bridge attack - by Ricky B - 07-23-2007, 10:50 PM
RE: Bridge attack - by sergio - 07-23-2007, 06:39 PM
RE: Bridge attack - by FLG - 07-24-2007, 05:52 AM
RE: Bridge attack - by Ricky B - 07-24-2007, 06:30 AM
RE: Bridge attack - by HMCS Rosthern - 07-26-2007, 02:07 PM
RE: Bridge attack - by Sgt Fury - 07-26-2007, 03:40 PM
RE: Bridge attack - by Arimus - 07-29-2007, 12:06 PM

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