Replaying moves and the patch

[McIvan]

How can one cheat by saving a game?

There are many ways, here are a few:

1. Saving your turn midgame, send out recce patrols to see where your opponent is sitting, restarting to the save game and continuing the turn with your knew found intelligence.

2. You have ambushed an enemy column, you save the game turn, you attack the ambushed column but you have had the worst die rolls imaginable... you reload the turn and try your like again from the save game point.

3. You are trying to capture a town on the last turn, you save the game turn, try assaulting and fail. You reopen the turn and try again, you assault and fail again. You reopen the turn and try again, you assault and succeed! You save and continue playing the turn.

4. You're playing the turn as normal, saving on occassion. You pass through a village with some loaded trucks and are suddenly ambushed, your company of panzergrenadiers is wiped out completely. You reload from your last save and ensure the mistake is not repeated.

There are many ways to cheat by saving and replaying, these are but a few reasons why someone would.

This is replaying and against club rules. Let alone very ungentlemanly like!

The save game warning is initiated after 2 saves. After that, it will report how many times a game has been saved.

Jason Petho

I don't think that's the point Montana Grizz was trying to make. He's pointing out that it's not the SAVING that is cheating, but FAILING to save.

Saving a game and exiting, and coming back to it later at that point, is perfectly legit.....but it seems that this behaviour is somehow going to be stigmatised.

A "save" counter will only be useful when you can compare it to a "loads" counter. As it stands it strikes me as almost useless and liable only to lead to ill feeling. There may be some people around here who can always complete their turns in one go, but there will be many who can't...whether seldom or often....especially those of us that pore over their games obsessively.

I say "almost useless" because someone saving their game a dozen times in a turn is probably doing something dodgy....although even then you don't know for sure, and moderate numbers of svae may well lead to unwarranted suspicion. But a replay cheat will still be able to operate without saving the game even once. They'll do their recon/practice turn and get themselves a huge advantage, quit out, reload and then do their "actual" turn. That will, I presume, show up as "zero" saves.

There is a save and load counter system in Steel Panthers iirc.....has anyone ever asked the Steel Panthers people if they could "borrow" it?

PS: Has the start-of-turn artillery/air/HQ/Ammo/undisruptions exploit been fixed?