SU-152 v Tigs/ Panths advice asked

[Chipmunk]

Regarding tactics for actually defeating the Germans with the weapons at hand in '43, Leto has recently made a thread about this at GS and I think think it's worth posting some of it here as it is germane to this discussion:

In 1943, in a setup where the German player wants hillly open space, you would take about 6-8 37mm guns and set them up on hills that you can defilade your tanks on, or behind those defilade tank positions… you would then lure out the panthers by using the good old scoot and shoot tactic with the SU-152, as that is the only way to actually use them against German big kitties in 1943, and when the Germans expose themselves, use the 37mm guns (at that distance can’t be spotted) on those Panthers and Tigers until they are knocked out or immobilized. I can’t tell you how many times that I’ve played 1943 scenarios and the mightiest gun on the map is the Russian 37mm at range… lost countless tigers and panthers… killed even more with my own 37's.

Secondly, SU-122’s in defilade or keyhole positions that can use indirect fire on Tigers and Panthers is another effective tactic, but you need to be highly careful as the German tanks will be hunting those HE chuckers pretty ferociously, so make sure you have mortars for smoke, or AFV’s that fire smoke (hard to find in the Russian OOB). It's always tricky to find ways to drop indirect HE from 122 or 152 guns in and around german tanks without them getting a shot off on you, or within the next turn, advancing on hunt to take you out... need to have your hand on the reverse gear at all times.