September 8th Discussion

[Kingmaker]

HiHi

Anyway Peter, aren't you English?

But of course!???

Who in their right mind would be anything else given the choice! (I had a special arrangement with my parents :) ). Born in Warwick in the Gods own county of Warwickshire, the Heart of England and firmly of the opinion that Wogs begin at the borders of Warwickshire, a concept my friends from lesser 2nd rate counties like Yorkshire seem to have some difficulty comprehending :conf:

On a serious note Paul I was not being Harsh at all, in fact I had my diplomatic hat on when I wrote those lines. we're not given to rebellion these days and prefer to seeth in silence, Yes, I missed out the “Gutless” bit between Arselicking & whimps; see I said I was being diplomatic.

That a people whose very foundation of Justice is under threat can idly sit watching their TV’s, shopping or whatever, while that very system of justice (Jury system) based on centuries of experience is stripped out from under their very noses speaks volumes. The jury system while often slow to filter through, provided a platform for the ordinary people to change bad laws etc and return a verdict of what was perceived in the community as ‘Justice’.

2 quick egs, During the Cromwellian military dictatorship the Puritans were keen to introduce Levatical law, so Adultery became a capital offence, some poor sot down Exeter way was actually Hung for it! But what was found over a relatively short time was that juries were refusing to convict, eventually the law was repealed. You will probably have heard of the ‘Black Laws’ of the 18th & 19th centuries whereby for eg you could be hung for stealing a handkerchief, well again over time Juries were again refusing to convict, and the laws got changed.

I could go on & on but thereby risk boring non English readers, suffice to add to the above, the fact that Welshman Presscots department was/is actually under instruction to find a legal base from the Act of Union that would strip English folk of their nationality and introduce a new nationality for them of British; the West Lothian question, no referendum re Europe, Multiculturalism etc. etc. etc. Our forefathers would have been up in arms over any one of these issues, todays English man? “Oh, I got to watch Coronation Street I’ll think about it later”.

Again quickly, if you just take the English vote. I now live in the Socialist stronghold of Co. Durham, Blair, Mandleson, Millbank etc. all elected by the folk around here, now in conversation with folk they nearly always say something along the lines of “well my dad & granddad voted Labour so I do as well, look at what the Tories did to the mines!”, point out to them that it was Wilsons socialist govt. that put the boot in to Durham mines and you get an embarrassed pause followed by “well at least he was Labour” ... !!!??? ... Like born again Christians or other “Believers” you can’t reason with these people they are Braindead in the logic/reason depts. It doesn’t stop them being nice people etc, just ... So in fairness you can’t just blame the Celts for our woes

I've already bought a house in another country just ready for such a move. You do well to think on those lines as there are no longer Englishmen prepared to take a stand for their ancient rights or country, I’m just sooo glad my lads mother emigrated to NZ taking him with her.

Harsh? .. Me? ... No I think not Paul.

All the Best
Peter