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Shoot & Scoot
01-15-2009, 07:59 AM,
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RE: Shoot & Scoot
The issue at hand presents itself in any game that has an "I go" and then "You go" mechanism. What I have noticed in CS, which perturbs me the most, is the ridiculously long engagement ranges in the game.

The average engagement range in WW2 was under 1,000 yards but we see units, particularly German, knocking out tanks at some 2,000 yards. While on occassion this did happen with specialty ammo and very good optics, with normal AP, a German Pz IV L/48 simply did not knock out a KV1 at such long ranges, for example. In 1941, single T34's and KV-1's penetrated over 30 miles directly through German lines and were finally halted by direct artilelry fire. One example I read told how one T-34 had over 30 direct hits and was finally stopped when it threw a track. Another example shows a Russian KV-1 holding up over 50 German tanks for almost an entire day (in one of Kenneth Macksy's books).

The shoot & scoot tactics are possible because of the movement allowance of units and shooting range of same within the same time scope (one player's turn). Reduce the movement allowance and the shooting ranges, and it will significantly reduce the amount of scoot & shoot one sees,

My 2 cents worth.

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Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-14-2009, 10:08 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Huib Versloot - 01-14-2009, 10:31 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by junk2drive - 01-14-2009, 10:42 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Otto von Blotto - 01-14-2009, 11:08 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-14-2009, 11:18 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by zeiss - 01-15-2009, 01:43 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-15-2009, 01:17 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Stryker - 01-15-2009, 01:45 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-15-2009, 05:31 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by von Manstein - 01-15-2009, 05:38 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-15-2009, 08:12 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-15-2009, 07:59 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by K K Rossokolski - 01-15-2009, 08:18 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-15-2009, 08:35 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by K K Rossokolski - 01-15-2009, 09:50 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-15-2009, 10:15 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-15-2009, 01:19 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-15-2009, 12:15 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-15-2009, 08:43 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Adolf Vahringer - 01-15-2009, 11:48 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by umbro - 01-15-2009, 08:07 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by FM WarB - 01-15-2009, 08:44 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-15-2009, 08:54 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-15-2009, 10:34 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-19-2009, 12:01 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-16-2009, 06:08 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Glint - 01-16-2009, 07:20 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-16-2009, 09:09 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jumbo - 01-16-2009, 12:30 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by FM WarB - 01-16-2009, 03:21 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-16-2009, 08:45 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Valor - 01-17-2009, 01:15 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-17-2009, 06:18 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-17-2009, 06:35 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by umbro - 01-17-2009, 06:55 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-17-2009, 07:07 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by umbro - 01-17-2009, 07:24 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-18-2009, 05:59 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-19-2009, 12:42 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Mike Abberton - 01-17-2009, 10:52 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by umbro - 01-18-2009, 06:16 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-18-2009, 09:16 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Huib Versloot - 01-18-2009, 09:49 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by FM WarB - 01-18-2009, 07:21 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-18-2009, 07:35 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by The Rattler - 01-18-2009, 04:29 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-18-2009, 09:45 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by The Rattler - 01-18-2009, 10:32 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Huib Versloot - 01-19-2009, 12:06 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by umbro - 01-19-2009, 12:59 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-19-2009, 01:53 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by umbro - 01-19-2009, 02:17 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by junk2drive - 01-19-2009, 03:11 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-19-2009, 10:12 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-20-2009, 02:17 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Valor - 01-20-2009, 02:49 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-20-2009, 05:28 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-20-2009, 06:07 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-20-2009, 06:14 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-20-2009, 08:54 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-20-2009, 08:01 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Valor - 01-21-2009, 08:58 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-20-2009, 06:29 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-20-2009, 06:37 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-20-2009, 07:53 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-20-2009, 07:56 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-20-2009, 08:02 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-20-2009, 08:20 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-20-2009, 08:05 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-20-2009, 08:20 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-20-2009, 08:40 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Kool Kat - 01-21-2009, 04:42 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Adolf Vahringer - 01-21-2009, 10:27 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by John Given - 01-23-2009, 10:02 PM

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