Shoot & Scoot

[Herr Straße Laufer]

"the issue I was bringing up was the overuse of shoot and scoot in PBEM games. Thus making the games an unrealistic simulation of what occurred on the battlefields of WWII."

Once again, how does one know what is realistic to the World War II battlefield unless one, was there, reads individual action reports and sitreps, or interviewed participants?
And, once again, this is a game that plays quite well as a simulation/game. I know some may not like it but, that is how it is presented and, I believe, how it survived as a game for so long as others fell by the wayside (including many "realistic" games).

I know that Hawk has posted of his findings on shoot and scoot in previous posts. I wish he was able to share that again here. I know that I have read about the ability of fast AT/SP that used the tactic along with other armor on various scales.
I do not see the need for making the changes you propose. Maybe simply playing those who conform to your personal ROE's is in order, instead of changing the game for a possible majority of players who may not see it your way?

As with the original assault, surround, and capture tactic, developing tactics to counter the shoot and scoot may make it a more enjoyable game for you than to make a major, fundamental, change to the game as the developers did with extreme assault.
I do not see shoot and scoot as being terrible unrealistic.

Unrealistic are the scenarios where the sides are roughly even when most attacks were launched from a three, four, five or more advantage. Yes, some specific cases had fewer troop numbers attacking larger numbers but, overall plans were to have superior numbers.
And, if you want realism in play you may want realistic scenarios? Would you call for throwing out any hypothetical scenarios or those based on history but not as historically accurate to be "real"?

As with many of these discussions "real" and realistic are subjective ideas?
Most "realists" concerned with the use of HT's, trucks, etc have personal ROE's that govern their PBEM games. Most are simple and straightforward. Why make fundamental changes to a game, for all those who play it, over something that could be solved through a personal ROE?

I will be interested to see what Jason might say.
I also wish I knew what Hawk wrote. :smoke:

RR