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Shoot & Scoot
01-19-2009, 02:17 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-19-2009, 02:20 AM by umbro.)
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RE: Shoot & Scoot
Hawk Kriegsman Wrote:In actuality direct fire is even more important with the extreme assault rules as now you have to disrupt the unit and then start to reduce his morale. Those AP's are not spent on moving away but in fact on more direct fire. In the 10 years I have been playing the game the level of shoot and scoot I have used and have had used against me is pretty constant.
As I said, direct fire is more important with extreme assault ON. You are wasting your time trying to reduce morale. The only units that you need to reduce morale on are the ones with high morale, and thus the ones that, by definition, are too difficult to reduce morale on. You will have shot them to pieces before you reduce their morale. Units with low morale you can simply assault without having to reduce their morale. Just be prepared to assault more than once.

Quote:Why not all SP's firing at half FP and have it cost half the normal fire cost?
Because that is not the way that the CRTs are built. They are built so that every time a unit fires each of its SPs gets a separate shot. To distribute those shots requires breaking up the SPs not the firepower. Logically you can only have a portion of a unit executing opfire, what is the rationale for your AP round to only penetrate half the armour thickness?

Quote:This way there is no issue with odd SP units (1SP, 3SP, etc) not getting half fire.
It doesn't have to be half, it can be any fraction. And the "odd" SPs would fire like any other - remember direct fire as it is is based on one shot per SP.

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Quote:There are two effects:
1) Opfire becomes slightly less effective overall (because the attacker fires first his chance of inflicting loss or disruption on the defender before all the defender SPs have opfire is higher)
Would it not be the same as now? The attacker still fires first at all the SP.
The difference arises because the attacker gets to attack with more SPs before the defender gets to attack with all his SPs. Results are not applied simultaneously, the attackers results are applied first, and thus there is a chance that the defenders effectiveness will be reduced. Because the defender takes longer to expend all his opfire the attacker will have a greater chance to reduce the effectiveness of the defender before the defender is out of opfire.

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Quote:2) Shoot and scoot becomes less predictable as an attacker cannot know with certainty how much opfire face him.
Not really though. Assuming you keep the same opp fire percentages the same an attacker will only face a max of 4 opp attacks from a unit (6 from those units with a 33 action point cost to fire).
As I mentioned, the portion of a unit that opfires does not need to be half, simply some fraction of the defender.

Quote:Most likely will lead to even more gamey tactics like having ATR's, scout cars and other low value units moving back and forth between two hexes until the defending unit expends his Opp fire.
Unfortunately this does happen already, my suggestion was an attempt to make it less predictable.

umbro
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Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-14-2009, 10:08 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Huib Versloot - 01-14-2009, 10:31 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by junk2drive - 01-14-2009, 10:42 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Otto von Blotto - 01-14-2009, 11:08 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-14-2009, 11:18 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by zeiss - 01-15-2009, 01:43 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-15-2009, 01:17 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Stryker - 01-15-2009, 01:45 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-15-2009, 05:31 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by von Manstein - 01-15-2009, 05:38 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-15-2009, 08:12 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-15-2009, 07:59 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by K K Rossokolski - 01-15-2009, 08:18 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-15-2009, 08:35 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by K K Rossokolski - 01-15-2009, 09:50 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-15-2009, 10:15 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-15-2009, 01:19 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-15-2009, 12:15 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-15-2009, 08:43 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Adolf Vahringer - 01-15-2009, 11:48 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by umbro - 01-15-2009, 08:07 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by FM WarB - 01-15-2009, 08:44 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-15-2009, 08:54 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-15-2009, 10:34 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-19-2009, 12:01 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-16-2009, 06:08 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Glint - 01-16-2009, 07:20 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-16-2009, 09:09 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jumbo - 01-16-2009, 12:30 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by FM WarB - 01-16-2009, 03:21 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-16-2009, 08:45 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Valor - 01-17-2009, 01:15 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-17-2009, 06:18 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-17-2009, 06:35 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by umbro - 01-17-2009, 06:55 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-17-2009, 07:07 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by umbro - 01-17-2009, 07:24 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-18-2009, 05:59 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-19-2009, 12:42 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Mike Abberton - 01-17-2009, 10:52 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by umbro - 01-18-2009, 06:16 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by RADO - 01-18-2009, 09:16 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Huib Versloot - 01-18-2009, 09:49 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by FM WarB - 01-18-2009, 07:21 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-18-2009, 07:35 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by The Rattler - 01-18-2009, 04:29 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-18-2009, 09:45 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by The Rattler - 01-18-2009, 10:32 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Huib Versloot - 01-19-2009, 12:06 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by umbro - 01-19-2009, 12:59 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-19-2009, 01:53 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by umbro - 01-19-2009, 02:17 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by junk2drive - 01-19-2009, 03:11 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-19-2009, 10:12 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-20-2009, 02:17 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Valor - 01-20-2009, 02:49 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-20-2009, 05:28 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-20-2009, 06:07 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-20-2009, 06:14 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Gordons HQ - 01-20-2009, 08:54 PM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-20-2009, 08:01 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Valor - 01-21-2009, 08:58 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-20-2009, 06:29 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-20-2009, 06:37 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-20-2009, 07:53 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-20-2009, 07:56 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Hawk Kriegsman - 01-20-2009, 08:02 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-20-2009, 08:20 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-20-2009, 08:05 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Jason Petho - 01-20-2009, 08:20 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Herr Straße Laufer - 01-20-2009, 08:40 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Kool Kat - 01-21-2009, 04:42 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by Adolf Vahringer - 01-21-2009, 10:27 AM
RE: Shoot & Scoot - by John Given - 01-23-2009, 10:02 PM

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