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Point Values
02-11-2009, 02:58 AM,
#14
RE: Point Values
Jason,

I am in complete agreement with you and is why I initially posted my question. As I understand it now in the rules, a German infantry unit is the same "point cost" or VP value as a Soviet infantry unit, strength point to strength point. If so, in that respect, "it is broken", which is not a slam on the game (as it is a great game) but rather a term we use to descibe something that either does not work, or is in need of repair.

Not knowing or having all the statistical data in my possession (or at least not knowing how to get at it if I do) does not allow me to address the issue, and that is why I asked about it.

Now, the advantages of a good point system is it allows for unven scenarios to be drawn up (sort of like in real life) but the scenario is balanced. There is absolutely NO point system for historical battles that I know of that is 100% fair across the board; it just does not happen. A point system does however allow one to take the inherant values of each type of unit in the game and use it to produce a value. Some variables have already been named. Another value is effective range of weaponry, and I know there are others.

Such an analysis would be easy if I still had SAS and a unix platform, and of course, the data, but I don't, and it has been 10 years now since I used SAS. Even a program like Excel can be used to list the variables by troop types and value, and once summed up gives a point value in the game. Then it is time to put it down, play it, and see if the point values "are broken" or not.

For years, I absolutely hated point systems but found that in the market place, people want a game where they can "buy an army", put it down and know that their opponent's army is of equal "point size". I am of the opinion that a point system such as this, and the means for players to "build" an army of "x" points that they can put down on a randomly generated map against an opponent who has also "built" and army of "x" points would greatly increase the marlketability of the game. Players would not just be limited to pre-drawn scenarios, which after you have played several hundred games, means you are playing the same old scenarios again and again.

Just food for thought.

- Greg

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Messages In This Thread
Point Values - by RADO - 02-09-2009, 12:02 PM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-09-2009, 12:39 PM
RE: Point Values - by RADO - 02-09-2009, 02:05 PM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-09-2009, 02:52 PM
RE: Point Values - by junk2drive - 02-09-2009, 02:58 PM
RE: Point Values - by Huib Versloot - 02-09-2009, 10:46 PM
RE: Point Values - by RADO - 02-10-2009, 04:23 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-10-2009, 08:28 AM
RE: Point Values - by RADO - 02-10-2009, 09:12 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-10-2009, 11:40 AM
RE: Point Values - by Huib Versloot - 02-10-2009, 09:09 PM
RE: Point Values - by Mike Abberton - 02-11-2009, 12:23 AM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-11-2009, 01:33 AM
RE: Point Values - by Huib Versloot - 02-11-2009, 06:32 AM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-11-2009, 06:46 AM
RE: Point Values - by Hawk Kriegsman - 02-11-2009, 07:15 AM
RE: Point Values - by Huib Versloot - 02-11-2009, 07:04 PM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-11-2009, 07:57 AM
RE: Point Values - by Huib Versloot - 02-11-2009, 07:49 PM
RE: Point Values - by RADO - 02-11-2009, 02:58 AM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-11-2009, 03:22 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-11-2009, 07:31 PM
RE: Point Values - by umbro - 02-11-2009, 07:01 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-11-2009, 08:42 AM
RE: Point Values - by umbro - 02-11-2009, 08:50 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-11-2009, 09:04 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-11-2009, 10:43 AM
RE: Point Values - by umbro - 02-11-2009, 01:37 PM
RE: Point Values - by Mr. Guberman - 02-11-2009, 12:11 PM
RE: Point Values - by junk2drive - 02-11-2009, 12:54 PM
RE: Point Values - by Mr. Guberman - 02-11-2009, 01:34 PM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-11-2009, 02:21 PM
RE: Point Values - by umbro - 02-11-2009, 03:04 PM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-11-2009, 04:09 PM
RE: Point Values - by umbro - 02-11-2009, 11:45 PM
RE: Point Values - by Mike Abberton - 02-12-2009, 12:15 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-12-2009, 08:08 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-12-2009, 08:12 AM
RE: Point Values - by Mike Abberton - 02-12-2009, 02:29 PM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-12-2009, 02:53 PM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-13-2009, 01:14 AM
RE: Point Values - by Kool Kat - 02-13-2009, 01:58 AM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-13-2009, 02:29 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-13-2009, 07:01 AM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-13-2009, 07:08 AM
RE: Point Values - by Kool Kat - 02-13-2009, 07:48 AM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-13-2009, 07:50 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-12-2009, 06:23 AM
RE: Point Values - by umbro - 02-12-2009, 08:01 AM
RE: Point Values - by Huib Versloot - 02-12-2009, 08:24 AM
RE: Point Values - by Steel God - 02-12-2009, 03:57 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-12-2009, 06:46 AM
RE: Point Values - by Glint - 02-12-2009, 06:15 AM
RE: Point Values - by RADO - 02-12-2009, 07:46 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-12-2009, 08:03 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-12-2009, 08:34 AM
RE: Point Values - by Von Earlmann - 02-12-2009, 08:33 AM
RE: Point Values - by RADO - 02-13-2009, 08:18 AM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-13-2009, 08:30 AM
RE: Point Values - by Valor - 02-14-2009, 12:04 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-13-2009, 09:03 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-13-2009, 09:14 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-13-2009, 10:36 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-13-2009, 11:20 AM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-13-2009, 09:19 AM
RE: Point Values - by 1925frank - 02-13-2009, 09:36 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-13-2009, 10:32 AM
RE: Point Values - by RADO - 02-14-2009, 04:27 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-14-2009, 06:54 AM
RE: Point Values - by Valor - 02-14-2009, 07:42 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-14-2009, 08:10 AM
RE: Point Values - by Mike Abberton - 02-14-2009, 08:29 AM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-14-2009, 08:37 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-14-2009, 09:29 AM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-14-2009, 09:49 AM
RE: Point Values - by umbro - 02-14-2009, 09:29 AM
RE: Point Values - by Mike Abberton - 02-15-2009, 11:50 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-14-2009, 10:02 AM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-14-2009, 11:44 AM
RE: Point Values - by K K Rossokolski - 02-14-2009, 12:50 PM
RE: Point Values - by junk2drive - 02-14-2009, 12:30 PM
RE: Point Values - by Glint - 02-14-2009, 10:05 PM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-14-2009, 11:36 PM
RE: Point Values - by Huib Versloot - 02-15-2009, 02:10 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-15-2009, 04:18 AM
RE: Point Values - by Huib Versloot - 02-15-2009, 05:33 AM
RE: Point Values - by Hawk Kriegsman - 02-15-2009, 11:13 PM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-16-2009, 01:34 AM
RE: Point Values - by keif149 - 02-15-2009, 01:52 AM
RE: Point Values - by umbro - 02-15-2009, 03:03 AM
RE: Point Values - by Jason Petho - 02-15-2009, 04:09 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-15-2009, 04:29 AM
RE: Point Values - by Glint - 02-15-2009, 03:06 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-15-2009, 04:28 AM
RE: Point Values - by junk2drive - 02-15-2009, 04:36 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-15-2009, 07:57 AM
RE: Point Values - by Glint - 02-15-2009, 04:39 AM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-15-2009, 07:56 AM
RE: Point Values - by Von Earlmann - 02-15-2009, 09:35 AM
RE: Point Values - by Huib Versloot - 02-15-2009, 11:05 PM
RE: Point Values - by Herr Straße Laufer - 02-16-2009, 01:27 AM
RE: Point Values - by RADO - 02-17-2009, 04:30 AM
RE: Point Values - by Von Luck - 02-17-2009, 05:45 AM

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