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Extreme assault?
04-04-2009, 12:55 AM,
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RE: Extreme assault?
Am I to understand that the only type of criticism that will be considered are those articulated in the context and format of specific files sent to Jason?

There have been a number of constructive comments made by some of the game's most experienced players. That should count for something, even if those comments are not accompanied by game files.

What distinguished Campaign Series from other games, at least for me, was the assaults. Assaults played a prominent role in Campaign Series. Campaign Series was never about trading shots in an ongoing firefight.

Umbro's post and some of the others show that one of the results of extreme assault is the diminished role of assaults. I don't think this was an intended consequence. If that is true, Campaign Series starts to look far more like many of the other games where assault is there but does not figure prominently in the way the game is played.

There have been some comments about doing the assault incorrectly. This suggests that the designers have something in mind that many players are missing. If Matrix intended extreme assault to add something, and if that something can only be appreciated if the player uses a specific tactic, then something may be amiss. My impression is that gameplay is not naturally leading players to use that tactic and that use of that tactic and appreciation of that tactic has to be artificially coached into the game. The goal may be great, but it's not translating well into gameplay just yet.

I was never proficient at assaults. I played the AI for years, and assaults had their role but the role wasn't nearly as prominent as when playing against another person. I don't feel qualified to go into the merits of the dialogue to any depth. My impressions, though, are that one of the most distinguishing and exciting aspects of Campaign Series has been blurred or blunted.

My impression too is that everyone (or virtually everyone) thinks extreme assault is a step in the right direction. The debate is over whether it should be the final step. In my opinion, this thread has been the most constructive one I've seen.
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Extreme assault? - by Fubar - 04-02-2009, 08:19 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-02-2009, 08:39 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-02-2009, 10:37 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by JRTXX - 04-02-2009, 03:01 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Krec - 04-02-2009, 04:50 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-02-2009, 07:12 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Fubar - 04-03-2009, 01:56 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Big Dawg - 04-03-2009, 04:25 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-03-2009, 04:43 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 04-03-2009, 05:47 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Big Dawg - 04-03-2009, 11:38 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-03-2009, 09:56 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-03-2009, 05:07 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-03-2009, 06:19 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Stryker - 04-03-2009, 07:13 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-03-2009, 07:21 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-03-2009, 09:53 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-03-2009, 10:58 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 04:27 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 04:34 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 04:49 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 05:02 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 05:15 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 05:27 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 05:41 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 06:08 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 07:21 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-03-2009, 10:33 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Steelrain60 - 04-03-2009, 10:52 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-03-2009, 07:12 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-03-2009, 11:30 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-03-2009, 12:57 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-03-2009, 07:21 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-03-2009, 10:17 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Krec - 04-03-2009, 02:11 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-03-2009, 10:02 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Stryker - 04-03-2009, 05:14 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by zeiss - 04-03-2009, 08:02 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 12:18 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-03-2009, 10:11 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Big Dawg - 04-04-2009, 12:52 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-04-2009, 12:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 04-04-2009, 01:27 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 01:48 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-04-2009, 04:12 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 04:21 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-04-2009, 04:43 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 04:53 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 05:17 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-04-2009, 06:25 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-04-2009, 10:48 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-05-2009, 08:53 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-05-2009, 10:01 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-06-2009, 12:31 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-06-2009, 05:33 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-06-2009, 06:10 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-06-2009, 07:01 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-06-2009, 08:12 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-06-2009, 08:03 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Krec - 04-04-2009, 08:39 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-05-2009, 12:28 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-04-2009, 12:37 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-05-2009, 12:39 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-05-2009, 11:17 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-05-2009, 11:16 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-04-2009, 01:26 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 06:59 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Tiger 88 - 04-04-2009, 10:42 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-04-2009, 10:50 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-05-2009, 06:48 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jumbo - 04-05-2009, 01:59 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Otto von Blotto - 04-05-2009, 04:35 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Krec - 04-05-2009, 03:27 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-05-2009, 10:15 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-05-2009, 11:10 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jumbo - 04-06-2009, 02:09 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 04-06-2009, 02:25 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Von Earlmann - 04-06-2009, 08:01 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-06-2009, 09:24 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-06-2009, 12:01 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-06-2009, 07:17 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-06-2009, 09:20 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-06-2009, 11:35 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-07-2009, 12:33 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-07-2009, 01:27 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-07-2009, 03:44 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-07-2009, 05:12 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-07-2009, 05:31 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 04-07-2009, 07:51 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 06:15 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-07-2009, 07:11 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 10:48 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Adolf Vahringer - 04-07-2009, 10:09 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 10:52 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 05:41 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-07-2009, 06:00 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 06:17 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-08-2009, 10:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-08-2009, 06:31 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-08-2009, 06:58 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-08-2009, 11:00 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-08-2009, 11:58 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Steel God - 04-07-2009, 09:16 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 10:46 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-07-2009, 11:06 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-08-2009, 11:08 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-09-2009, 02:56 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-09-2009, 03:00 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-09-2009, 03:30 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jumbo - 04-09-2009, 11:54 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-12-2009, 07:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-09-2009, 02:31 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Von Earlmann - 04-09-2009, 09:41 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-10-2009, 12:28 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-10-2009, 05:41 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-10-2009, 07:53 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-10-2009, 11:09 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-11-2009, 05:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by stone0919 - 04-11-2009, 01:37 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-11-2009, 09:36 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-13-2009, 10:10 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-14-2009, 02:29 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by dawags - 04-19-2009, 09:26 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-20-2009, 12:29 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-19-2009, 10:56 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by dawags - 04-21-2009, 12:56 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Valor - 04-21-2009, 02:23 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-21-2009, 04:05 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-21-2009, 05:04 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-21-2009, 05:07 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-21-2009, 05:12 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-21-2009, 06:05 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-21-2009, 10:13 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-22-2009, 01:45 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-21-2009, 06:58 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-21-2009, 08:09 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-23-2009, 07:59 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-23-2009, 09:16 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-24-2009, 06:24 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-24-2009, 08:46 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-24-2009, 10:34 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-26-2009, 02:10 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-26-2009, 04:35 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by majog - 04-29-2009, 08:45 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Von Earlmann - 04-29-2009, 09:41 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-30-2009, 11:06 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 05-01-2009, 11:07 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 05-01-2009, 11:22 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 05-01-2009, 11:43 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 05-02-2009, 01:59 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 05-02-2009, 05:17 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jumbo - 05-03-2009, 03:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 05-06-2009, 11:19 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by XLVIII Pz. Korp - 05-06-2009, 11:46 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 05-06-2009, 12:28 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 05-06-2009, 01:03 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 05-06-2009, 09:51 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by XLVIII Pz. Korp - 05-06-2009, 03:05 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 05-06-2009, 11:41 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 05-07-2009, 11:47 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 05-07-2009, 12:07 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by XLVIII Pz. Korp - 05-08-2009, 02:49 PM

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