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Extreme assault?
04-04-2009, 06:25 AM,
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RE: Extreme assault?
Alfons de Palfons Wrote:
MrRoadrunner Wrote:You've diminished the game by allowing the game engine, and a die roll, take over for "skill of the playing of the game" by the gamers.
RR

Saying the new rules reduce the game (at least the assault part) to just a dice roll is not fair obviously. Right now with EA there is far more skill needed in the game to be succesful than previously. This new skill however you have to demonstrate over the whole map and connected over a series of turns. There is far more planning and tactical vision involved with EA than without EA. In other words you have to be more creative and use more coherent plans now to be succesful. On a smaller level: if you want assaults to be succesful, you need to take more into account than just making sure the enemy is disrupted. So this also requires more skill than without EA.
With the old rules it was more a matter of doing the Surround, disrupt etc trick wherever you could. For this, just some unit handling skills and very short term planning are needed, I would hardly call these tactical skills.
I don't say EA doesn't need improvement but your criticism is too shortsighted to do anything with.

Huib

I absolutely disagree with you.
You are right about the game being slow. And, the "trick" in the game has just changed with the new Extreme Assault rule.

I've won my fair share of games using extreme assault. I know how it works. I've seen some gamey use of it.
Your reference to needing long term plans in a tactical game just "rings" wrong to me.
There were problems with the original d-s-a but, far less than in the e-a rule this game uses. Planning and execution go by the wayside when a defending unit passes it's morale roll. Regardless of any of the advanced planning for which you speak?

I still have not had the empty transport sitting in a city hex not being able to be overrun by a scout car, ever explained as adding realism or making the game better. But, neither do I expect it to be.

And, I cannot even hope for "to each his own". Obviously some of the "each" are going to be iced of out "Jason's own"?

RR
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Extreme assault? - by Fubar - 04-02-2009, 08:19 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-02-2009, 08:39 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-02-2009, 10:37 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by JRTXX - 04-02-2009, 03:01 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Krec - 04-02-2009, 04:50 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-02-2009, 07:12 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Fubar - 04-03-2009, 01:56 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Big Dawg - 04-03-2009, 04:25 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-03-2009, 04:43 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 04-03-2009, 05:47 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Big Dawg - 04-03-2009, 11:38 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-03-2009, 09:56 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-03-2009, 05:07 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-03-2009, 06:19 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Stryker - 04-03-2009, 07:13 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-03-2009, 07:21 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-03-2009, 09:53 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-03-2009, 10:58 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 04:27 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 04:34 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 04:49 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 05:02 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 05:15 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 05:27 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 05:41 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 06:08 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 07:21 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-03-2009, 10:33 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Steelrain60 - 04-03-2009, 10:52 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-03-2009, 07:12 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-03-2009, 11:30 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-03-2009, 12:57 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-03-2009, 07:21 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-03-2009, 10:17 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Krec - 04-03-2009, 02:11 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-03-2009, 10:02 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Stryker - 04-03-2009, 05:14 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by zeiss - 04-03-2009, 08:02 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 12:18 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-03-2009, 10:11 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Big Dawg - 04-04-2009, 12:52 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-04-2009, 12:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 04-04-2009, 01:27 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 01:48 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-04-2009, 04:12 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 04:21 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-04-2009, 04:43 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 04:53 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 05:17 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-04-2009, 06:25 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-04-2009, 10:48 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-05-2009, 08:53 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-05-2009, 10:01 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-06-2009, 12:31 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-06-2009, 05:33 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-06-2009, 06:10 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-06-2009, 07:01 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-06-2009, 08:12 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-06-2009, 08:03 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Krec - 04-04-2009, 08:39 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-05-2009, 12:28 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-04-2009, 12:37 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-05-2009, 12:39 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-05-2009, 11:17 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-05-2009, 11:16 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-04-2009, 01:26 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 06:59 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Tiger 88 - 04-04-2009, 10:42 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-04-2009, 10:50 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-05-2009, 06:48 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jumbo - 04-05-2009, 01:59 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Otto von Blotto - 04-05-2009, 04:35 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Krec - 04-05-2009, 03:27 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-05-2009, 10:15 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-05-2009, 11:10 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jumbo - 04-06-2009, 02:09 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 04-06-2009, 02:25 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Von Earlmann - 04-06-2009, 08:01 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-06-2009, 09:24 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-06-2009, 12:01 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-06-2009, 07:17 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-06-2009, 09:20 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-06-2009, 11:35 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-07-2009, 12:33 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-07-2009, 01:27 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-07-2009, 03:44 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-07-2009, 05:12 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-07-2009, 05:31 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 04-07-2009, 07:51 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 06:15 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-07-2009, 07:11 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 10:48 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Adolf Vahringer - 04-07-2009, 10:09 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 10:52 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 05:41 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-07-2009, 06:00 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 06:17 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-08-2009, 10:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-08-2009, 06:31 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-08-2009, 06:58 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-08-2009, 11:00 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-08-2009, 11:58 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Steel God - 04-07-2009, 09:16 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 10:46 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-07-2009, 11:06 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-08-2009, 11:08 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-09-2009, 02:56 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-09-2009, 03:00 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-09-2009, 03:30 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jumbo - 04-09-2009, 11:54 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-12-2009, 07:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-09-2009, 02:31 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Von Earlmann - 04-09-2009, 09:41 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-10-2009, 12:28 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-10-2009, 05:41 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-10-2009, 07:53 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-10-2009, 11:09 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-11-2009, 05:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by stone0919 - 04-11-2009, 01:37 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-11-2009, 09:36 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-13-2009, 10:10 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-14-2009, 02:29 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by dawags - 04-19-2009, 09:26 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-20-2009, 12:29 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-19-2009, 10:56 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by dawags - 04-21-2009, 12:56 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Valor - 04-21-2009, 02:23 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-21-2009, 04:05 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-21-2009, 05:04 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-21-2009, 05:07 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-21-2009, 05:12 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-21-2009, 06:05 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-21-2009, 10:13 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-22-2009, 01:45 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-21-2009, 06:58 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-21-2009, 08:09 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-23-2009, 07:59 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-23-2009, 09:16 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-24-2009, 06:24 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-24-2009, 08:46 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-24-2009, 10:34 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-26-2009, 02:10 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-26-2009, 04:35 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by majog - 04-29-2009, 08:45 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Von Earlmann - 04-29-2009, 09:41 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-30-2009, 11:06 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 05-01-2009, 11:07 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 05-01-2009, 11:22 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 05-01-2009, 11:43 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 05-02-2009, 01:59 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 05-02-2009, 05:17 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jumbo - 05-03-2009, 03:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 05-06-2009, 11:19 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by XLVIII Pz. Korp - 05-06-2009, 11:46 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 05-06-2009, 12:28 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 05-06-2009, 01:03 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 05-06-2009, 09:51 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by XLVIII Pz. Korp - 05-06-2009, 03:05 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 05-06-2009, 11:41 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 05-07-2009, 11:47 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 05-07-2009, 12:07 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by XLVIII Pz. Korp - 05-08-2009, 02:49 PM

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