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Extreme assault?
04-08-2009, 11:08 AM,
RE: Extreme assault?
Hello to all:

I'd like to reiterate a valid point made by at least two others that I hope isn't getting lost in the shuffle. There are really well balanced existing scenarios where the new assault rules will make a big difference. I'm OK with the extreme assault as stated earlier.
But...some of the real "bunker buster" close up rugby scenarios from the old game (Dickens' I / II-Monte Cassino...and the Fight for the Tractor Factory or whatever it's called in Stalingrad for two good examples) are really going to play a lot harder and differently with the new rule. In those you simply have to disrupt...assault....and push, because everyone's bunker to bunker or pillbox to pillbox. The old rule works very well in those because just getting all the enemy units disrupted is an accomplishment...much less doing damage.

I've enjoyed those scenarios every time I played them and I certainly wouldn't want to see them change. Monte defines the disrupt/surround/assault philosophy and it's what makes it work.

You miss a couple of those chances in those scenarios....your game is in trouble.
Any of those bunker to bunker close assault fights are going to change radically with the new rule.
As long as the old option is available I'm going to keep playing those without EA.

As a scenario designer I am taking a look at my scenarios and I believe I'll start recommending whether or not I feel they are suitable for extreme assault. Of course players can choose to ignore that recommendation....and often will.

Not trying to stir a thread that got a bit heated...only trying to salvage the valid points that were made by some.

We can agree to disagree....and will...but thanks to the game designers....we can play it which ever way suits us or the scenario at hand.

Try asking EA Games to do that with Battlefield or whoever publishes World of Warcraft they need to adjust their orcs...ain't gonna happen guys and we have a good thing going with this game and the serious competitors who enjoy it.

In my current game with Von Luck I had a turn where I failed to capture a bunker with two shot up and disrupted German units in it. I assaulted it three times with multiple units and tried to mix armor/infantry/and the available commanders each time.

Strike one....two...three....

Now I'm just a wee bit steamed....but I have this one 1 SP MG unit that had such a low assault value I never commited it....and you guessed it....the 4th try where I was outnumbered....whammo....I'm owning Von Luck's bunker with a lowly single strength MG...

I figure the first three assaults were all guys getting out in a couple weeks, too short to see over their shoetops....and the MG unit....well...he was obviously Sgt. York with a heart full of hate and a fist full of viagra...

Metaphor was never my strong point.

Regards,

Dan
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Extreme assault? - by Fubar - 04-02-2009, 08:19 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-02-2009, 08:39 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-02-2009, 10:37 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by JRTXX - 04-02-2009, 03:01 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Krec - 04-02-2009, 04:50 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-02-2009, 07:12 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Fubar - 04-03-2009, 01:56 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Big Dawg - 04-03-2009, 04:25 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-03-2009, 04:43 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 04-03-2009, 05:47 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Big Dawg - 04-03-2009, 11:38 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-03-2009, 09:56 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-03-2009, 05:07 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-03-2009, 06:19 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Stryker - 04-03-2009, 07:13 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-03-2009, 07:21 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-03-2009, 09:53 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-03-2009, 10:58 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 04:27 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 04:34 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 04:49 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 05:02 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 05:15 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 05:27 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 05:41 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 06:08 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 07:21 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-03-2009, 10:33 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Steelrain60 - 04-03-2009, 10:52 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-03-2009, 07:12 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-03-2009, 11:30 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-03-2009, 12:57 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-03-2009, 07:21 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-03-2009, 10:17 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Krec - 04-03-2009, 02:11 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-03-2009, 10:02 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Stryker - 04-03-2009, 05:14 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by zeiss - 04-03-2009, 08:02 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 12:18 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-03-2009, 10:11 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Big Dawg - 04-04-2009, 12:52 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-04-2009, 12:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 04-04-2009, 01:27 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 01:48 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-04-2009, 04:12 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 04:21 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-04-2009, 04:43 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-04-2009, 04:53 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 05:17 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-04-2009, 06:25 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-04-2009, 10:48 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-05-2009, 08:53 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-05-2009, 10:01 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-06-2009, 12:31 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-06-2009, 05:33 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-06-2009, 06:10 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-06-2009, 07:01 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-06-2009, 08:12 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-06-2009, 08:03 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Krec - 04-04-2009, 08:39 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-05-2009, 12:28 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-04-2009, 12:37 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-05-2009, 12:39 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-05-2009, 11:17 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-05-2009, 11:16 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-04-2009, 01:26 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 04-04-2009, 06:59 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Tiger 88 - 04-04-2009, 10:42 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-04-2009, 10:50 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-05-2009, 06:48 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jumbo - 04-05-2009, 01:59 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Otto von Blotto - 04-05-2009, 04:35 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Krec - 04-05-2009, 03:27 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-05-2009, 10:15 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-05-2009, 11:10 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jumbo - 04-06-2009, 02:09 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 04-06-2009, 02:25 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Von Earlmann - 04-06-2009, 08:01 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-06-2009, 09:24 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-06-2009, 12:01 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-06-2009, 07:17 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-06-2009, 09:20 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-06-2009, 11:35 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-07-2009, 12:33 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-07-2009, 01:27 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-07-2009, 03:44 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-07-2009, 05:12 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-07-2009, 05:31 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 04-07-2009, 07:51 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 06:15 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-07-2009, 07:11 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 10:48 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Adolf Vahringer - 04-07-2009, 10:09 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 10:52 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 05:41 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-07-2009, 06:00 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 06:17 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-08-2009, 10:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-08-2009, 06:31 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-08-2009, 06:58 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-08-2009, 11:00 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-08-2009, 11:58 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Steel God - 04-07-2009, 09:16 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-07-2009, 10:46 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-07-2009, 11:06 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-08-2009, 11:08 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-09-2009, 02:56 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-09-2009, 03:00 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-09-2009, 03:30 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jumbo - 04-09-2009, 11:54 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-12-2009, 07:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-09-2009, 02:31 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Von Earlmann - 04-09-2009, 09:41 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-10-2009, 12:28 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-10-2009, 05:41 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-10-2009, 07:53 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-10-2009, 11:09 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by 1925frank - 04-11-2009, 05:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by stone0919 - 04-11-2009, 01:37 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-11-2009, 09:36 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-13-2009, 10:10 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-14-2009, 02:29 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by dawags - 04-19-2009, 09:26 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-20-2009, 12:29 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-19-2009, 10:56 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by dawags - 04-21-2009, 12:56 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Valor - 04-21-2009, 02:23 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-21-2009, 04:05 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-21-2009, 05:04 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-21-2009, 05:07 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-21-2009, 05:12 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-21-2009, 06:05 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 04-21-2009, 10:13 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 04-22-2009, 01:45 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 04-21-2009, 06:58 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-21-2009, 08:09 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-23-2009, 07:59 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-23-2009, 09:16 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-24-2009, 06:24 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-24-2009, 08:46 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-24-2009, 10:34 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 04-26-2009, 02:10 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-26-2009, 04:35 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by majog - 04-29-2009, 08:45 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Von Earlmann - 04-29-2009, 09:41 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 04-30-2009, 11:06 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 05-01-2009, 11:07 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 05-01-2009, 11:22 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Kool Kat - 05-01-2009, 11:43 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Huib Versloot - 05-02-2009, 01:59 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by umbro - 05-02-2009, 05:17 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jumbo - 05-03-2009, 03:55 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 05-06-2009, 11:19 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by XLVIII Pz. Korp - 05-06-2009, 11:46 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 05-06-2009, 12:28 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 05-06-2009, 01:03 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Chuck10mtn - 05-06-2009, 09:51 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by XLVIII Pz. Korp - 05-06-2009, 03:05 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Scud - 05-06-2009, 11:41 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Dan Caviness - 05-07-2009, 11:47 AM
RE: Extreme assault? - by Jason Petho - 05-07-2009, 12:07 PM
RE: Extreme assault? - by XLVIII Pz. Korp - 05-08-2009, 02:49 PM

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