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German firepower
04-15-2009, 07:44 AM,
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RE: German firepower
Alfons de Palfons Wrote:
umbro Wrote:I think that you have, in some ways, answered your own question. Smoke. I realise that it is an abstraction, but sometimes CS requires that to model historical battles.

I would also point out that from my reading of the Battle of the Reichswald (which is admittedly limited) I understood that the German parachute units were a) under strength, and b) populated to a significant degree with green recruits. The division morale was high as a unit (as perhaps the only German units at this stage of the war to believe that it was unbeaten), but that specific smaller units were more variable.

umbro

You are right to some degree (it was 4 Fallschirmjägerdivisionen 6th, 7th, 8th and parts of the 2nd), but even the 17 yr old green recruits of the Fallschirmtruppen outperformed the British, the Canadians and the Americans time and time again. This continued until the end of the war. The weaker parts in the Fallschirm Armee were the 84 ID and the 180/ 190 ID. It might be an idea to lower their morale to 5 instead of 6. It is those regular troops in the center of the Reichswald that are currently acting too strong.
We should have the numbers about right as we have detailed info on that. David did keep a lot of MGs in the scn as we figured heavy weapons would be passed on to others when a unit loses strength.

Currently we decided a morale like this: Allies: 7, 84. ID: 5
180. ID 5 and 6. 190. ID 5 and 6, 116th Pz: 6 and 7. 15th PzGr: 6. Fallschirmtruppe: 8

I wonder if a combination of "limited" added smoke for the Brits, lower morale for the Fallschirmtruppe (honestly, they may fight well but are still battered), smaller sized platoons, and a lower overall Axis ammo level?
If the Brits cleared the Reichswald with; *"Historically however the British managed to get through the Reichswald with less losses than the Germans, even if their losses were high."* (from your previous post) it does seem strange that the comment about 17 yr olds fighting better should be thought of as a factor here?
I'm not sure what the NCO's of the Fallschirmtruppe were like during this period. I think NCO's are the biggest factor when considering individual small unit success, over whether a 17 year old could load and fire his weapon or the German Mg's are simply better. German NCO corps were diminished at this time. Though their cadre of veterans surely made up for it.
The MG42 was not all that accurate but, threw out a lot of fire that had a "shot gun" effect at closer ranges.

That said, the "8" morale seems a bit high. And, even the "6's" should be looked at.

Balance will/can be found somewhere with tweaking all of the above, including added smoke. It might be a tedious process of testing after lowering morale. Then ammo. Then adding smoke.
I feel for you. That is one large scenario. It looks interesting.

RR
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Messages In This Thread
German firepower - by Huib Versloot - 04-13-2009, 08:31 AM
RE: German firepower - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-13-2009, 10:15 AM
RE: German firepower - by 1925frank - 04-13-2009, 12:53 PM
RE: German firepower - by Huib Versloot - 04-13-2009, 08:45 PM
RE: German firepower - by Fubar - 04-13-2009, 09:01 PM
RE: German firepower - by crh3 - 04-14-2009, 06:49 AM
RE: German firepower - by K K Rossokolski - 04-14-2009, 08:25 AM
RE: German firepower - by Von Luck - 04-14-2009, 08:43 AM
RE: German firepower - by Dan Caviness - 04-14-2009, 12:59 PM
RE: German firepower - by Huib Versloot - 04-14-2009, 06:05 PM
RE: German firepower - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-14-2009, 07:16 PM
RE: German firepower - by Huib Versloot - 04-14-2009, 09:56 PM
RE: German firepower - by Hawk Kriegsman - 04-14-2009, 10:02 PM
RE: German firepower - by umbro - 04-15-2009, 05:46 AM
RE: German firepower - by Huib Versloot - 04-15-2009, 06:27 AM
RE: German firepower - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-15-2009, 07:44 AM
RE: German firepower - by Von Luck - 04-15-2009, 06:42 AM
RE: German firepower - by umbro - 04-15-2009, 08:19 AM
RE: German firepower - by Huib Versloot - 04-15-2009, 06:06 PM
RE: German firepower - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-15-2009, 07:55 PM
RE: German firepower - by Huib Versloot - 04-15-2009, 09:41 PM
RE: German firepower - by umbro - 04-15-2009, 06:27 PM
RE: German firepower - by Dan Caviness - 04-16-2009, 12:11 PM
RE: German firepower - by Huib Versloot - 04-16-2009, 06:18 PM
RE: German firepower - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-16-2009, 07:05 PM
RE: German firepower - by Huib Versloot - 04-16-2009, 11:04 PM
RE: German firepower - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-17-2009, 03:37 AM
RE: German firepower - by Dan Caviness - 04-19-2009, 01:05 PM
RE: German firepower - by nikoda - 05-09-2009, 01:22 AM
RE: German firepower - by Kool Kat - 05-09-2009, 02:51 AM
RE: German firepower - by Von Luck - 05-10-2009, 08:15 AM
RE: German firepower - by Dan Caviness - 05-15-2009, 08:21 AM
RE: German firepower - by Dan Caviness - 05-15-2009, 08:31 AM

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