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New S42 Campaign!
10-08-2009, 03:29 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-08-2009, 05:29 AM by Volcano Man.)
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RE: New S42 Campaign!
Marquo Wrote:I think you are changing the supply is an ahistorical manner. The Soviets supply situaton was robust whereas the Axis situation dwindled by the day; the charts of air dropped tonnage corroborate this.

Well, no actually. Who says that 75% (its starting value) is not "robust"? It all comes down to interpretation. 75% is certainly nothing to sneeze at, and is higher than the starting Axis supply level. To put it into perspective, 75% is higher than both sides supply level in Budapest '45, and is also higher than the Russian supply level in Minsk '44. Also, by the end of the Stalingrad campaign, the Axis supply will go down to 50% (30% in the pocket), while the Russians will remain at 75%. I just don't see how that could not be considered "robust" to be honest. What then is "robust"?

So what it comes down to is, subjectivity, but, and most importantly, it comes down to game play effects. All this talk about how the Russians can run over the Stalingrad pocket so soon, well, to me the most elegant solution is to do something about the Russian's 90-100% supply levels.

In reality *nothing* was really changed here, which is the beauty of it. What I mean is, and as I hinted before, if you look at all the sub scenarios, their map edge supply levels are set at 75% which is the global supply value in the campaign. All I did was change the map edge supply sources in the campaign to where the local supply level is 75% by the time it reaches the front line (with VST on), so it is not like they have anything less than was obviously intended. The problem came in where the 90% supply sources on the map edge, for use with VST, was too close to the Stalingrad city itself, so the supplies in that specific area were 90% while the other areas of the front were between 60-80%. With a little creativity and variance in the supply source levels it was put in line *with the existing (stock) sub scenario supply levels*. Now whether someone thinks the supply situation should be 80%, or 85% -- what matters is the end result which is the addressing of an a-historical game play situation of the Russians being too powerful in the reduction of the pocket, all else does not matter.

Now it is true that I removed the Russian gradual supply level increase in the recent _Alt update because I felt that they don't need it, which seems obvious given how S42 has played out and which makes logical sense to me since the Axis level drops gradually (which means that the Allied level will, in comparison, rise even further above the Axis as the campaign progresses). I admit that might have been "too far". The safer solution would probably be just to adjust the map edge supply sources to match the sub scenarios (like what was done), but leave the supply variation increases. Oh well, only time will tell. ;)

Additional: I just realized that part of the problem is that we are talking about two different scenarios in this thread (which is entirely my fault). I think von Nev made similar changes but changed the Russian supply level so that it drops, then rises again. So maybe you were referring to that. Anyway, it is my fault for hijacking the thread in the first place and causing any confusion. :(
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New S42 Campaign! - by von Nev - 10-04-2009, 05:42 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Marquo - 10-04-2009, 06:30 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Mr Grumpy - 10-04-2009, 06:56 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by von Nev - 10-04-2009, 06:58 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-04-2009, 07:24 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by von Nev - 10-04-2009, 07:20 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Marquo - 10-04-2009, 07:20 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by von Nev - 10-04-2009, 07:25 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-04-2009, 03:44 PM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Bidermann - 10-04-2009, 02:58 PM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Mr Grumpy - 10-04-2009, 09:51 PM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Strela - 10-05-2009, 05:54 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-05-2009, 07:02 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by von Nev - 10-05-2009, 09:26 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Marquo - 10-05-2009, 09:50 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Liquid_Sky - 10-05-2009, 01:09 PM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by NicholasBell - 10-06-2009, 12:58 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by JDR Dragoon - 10-06-2009, 03:36 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Ricky B - 10-06-2009, 02:09 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by James Ward - 10-06-2009, 02:25 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-06-2009, 03:22 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-06-2009, 03:34 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Dog Soldier - 10-06-2009, 03:46 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-06-2009, 04:53 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Ricky B - 10-06-2009, 04:21 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by James Ward - 10-06-2009, 04:31 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Dog Soldier - 10-06-2009, 04:27 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Dog Soldier - 10-06-2009, 05:01 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-06-2009, 05:30 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Ricky B - 10-06-2009, 08:04 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-07-2009, 06:18 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Ricky B - 10-07-2009, 06:50 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-07-2009, 07:19 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Dog Soldier - 10-06-2009, 09:45 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Marquo - 10-06-2009, 10:14 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by von Nev - 10-06-2009, 11:43 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Marquo - 10-06-2009, 12:06 PM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by James Ward - 10-06-2009, 11:14 PM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-07-2009, 06:23 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by von Nev - 10-06-2009, 12:17 PM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by c00per - 10-06-2009, 01:55 PM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Ricky B - 10-07-2009, 12:01 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-07-2009, 07:30 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by von Nev - 10-07-2009, 02:02 PM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Dog Soldier - 10-07-2009, 02:34 PM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Marquo - 10-07-2009, 11:41 PM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-08-2009, 03:29 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by von Nev - 10-08-2009, 10:12 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by NicholasBell - 10-08-2009, 02:23 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Marquo - 10-08-2009, 10:36 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by von Nev - 10-09-2009, 04:37 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-09-2009, 05:50 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Liquid_Sky - 10-09-2009, 08:57 AM
RE: New S42 Campaign! - by Volcano Man - 10-09-2009, 10:23 AM

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