SCORING

[Walrus]

I'm starting to wonder why are you against the change? You obviously don't care what the scoring is or is there any at all. If the change is for the better then why not allow it to be done? I believe that in the end we all want to make this a better place for gaming and if the scoring can make a difference between two players who never win a single battle then maybe it is better for someone who is interested in scoring points even though can't win battles ... yet.

Vesku
You assume that the change is automatically for the better...yet your only solid argument for that seems to be this...

if the scoring can make a difference between two players who never win a single battle then maybe it is better

I have not got a problem with encouraging players who often lose by changing the way losses are scored.
I just don't think your proposed system is necessarily 'better'. You need to show me why it is.

I am a rational guy, I speak here as a SP player, not moderator.
I am not afraid of change...I just don't like knee-jerk reactions when there are no time restraints. If we talk about this for a month, and get an agreement that change to System X is better, then great. We'll change.
This is just the start of the debate...no harm in that eh.

You obviously don't care what the scoring is or is there any at all.
Obviously? Really? You speak for me on that do you?
Come on bro...that is just plain guesswork on your behalf.
You don't 'obviously' know what I think about the scoring or the points or the ladder at all...why say that?

My main points is this:

The system has worked fine for the years I have been here.
It was not, as far as I was aware as a player and moderator, in dire need of attention or immediate change.
Maciej's comment was the first I had heard on the matter since I cannot remember...so, hardly a pressing issue on the SP forum of late eh.

The fact you seem to be very keen on a change does not automatically means it is a change for the good, or necessary at all IMHO.
If you can garner enough support for us (the whole ladder community) to seriously look at it, and you settle on a system that all are happy with...then that's another story completely.

You know how we roll here.
If the ladder wants change, and all are happy with the change...then we'll change.
Bloody easy...just like that.

However, even in the last three post on this thread, we have three different ideas.
That's hardly conformity yet eh.

I actually quite like Ratel's idea, but would not wish to award zero points for a large loss.

I think that there should always be points for playing....and that is what the points for all losses have been up until now.
Not reward for a loss, but reward for participation.
That's why I had never really thought about it until now.
Just IMO, I don't care about a loss, points-wise...it is a loss, and the only interest I have in making it a Minor rather than letting it be a Major, is to make your victory a little less satisfying and a lot harder than if I threw in the towel.
Call it perverse, but that's they way I have played here since I joined.

I remember my first win here. It took 11 battles and it bloody meant something to me.
It was, finally a WIN.

I see your proposed change as a softening of the results.
I like it that on our ladder,a loss is a loss.

However...if I am the only one on the SP ladder with this opinion, and the general opinion is for a change to a scoring system that reflects different levels of loss...then I am all for the change.

Cheers
Walrus