The Vietnam War myth

[Bear]

That's utter horsefeathers, start to finish.

The Chinese were supporting the Vietnamese during the war. So were the Russians. The North Vietnamese took over the south in a conventional blitzkrieg that used more armor than the Germans used in Poland. They tried earlier with a third of the armor when the US ground forces were out but air was still there and got their clocks cleaned by the USAF and ARVN. The north was attacking the south throughout and what smidgen of civil war there was in the south was over by the aftermath of Tet. The VC were dead by the end of 1968 and the NVA were hiding outside the country when the US ground forces left. The war was won on the battlefield up to then, and guerilla everything had failed completely.

And that victory was thrown away by the US congress after the destruction of Nixon over Watergate. For nothing. Doing so killed several million innocent people and drove millions more into exile. Which was about as moral as Eichmann and had nothing to do with "wise" anything. It was a stone cold human and moral tragegy of the first magnitude. And the American and international left was cheering for it every step of the way, largely because they were cowards afraid they might be asked to go help win it. (Notice how the antiwar movement evaporated when Nixon ended the draft).

The myth that the left convinced America to give up or that the war wasn't worth fighting or winning is also pure revisionist spin by the guilty parties. The democratic party, not the country, split over the war - and as soon as it did lost the support of the country. The left got their pure peace candidate against their hated Nemesis in 1972 and they lost in a landslide.

Ford in 1975 asked for approval from congress to use the air force again to stop the NVA as we had in the 1972 easter offensive, but the post Watergate left wing congress said no. The 1974 by elections weren't about Nam which was off the radar; American ground troops were out, the Paris accords were in place, and the NVA were staying in their box, afraid of more B-52 strikes on downtown Hanoi. The election was about Watergate and a recession and a stock market crash. But the leftists elected that year were the sort who had chanted that Ho was going to win, thought Mao was a third way, and pretended American soldiers were war criminals while actual mass murderers as bad as the Nazis they gave a pass, if they didn't look up to them as cool.

There is no moral equivalence about it. The left were stone cold fools and evil about the entire affair. And they will lie about it til the day they die.

Nixon was a criminal and was pardoned to salvage a nation in turmoil.
The U.S. war in Viet Nam was immoral and without a Casus Belli. That is the truth and Robert McNamara confessed this before he died. It was a house of cards except for the geopolitics of American blood spilled to show China we were determined and quite mad as a hatter to boot.
The Russians and Chinese elbowed each other to establish influence over Viet Nam. The Chinese made their move and were stopped by the Viet Namese single handed.
I see you are well versed in making Nazis Germany references whenever history or facts get in your way. Clearly you do not know the truth and are probably unwilling to do the real work to get there because you think you know it all and are comfortable with your arrogance and preconceived notions.
I was a strike team sharpshooter back then, a volunteer with a college deferment and a 350 lottery number, what was your commitment JasonC? And how and why do you say that a leftist traitors in the U.S.Congress stole an American victory? Wait forget it...I'm wasting my time here.
I have nothing left to say to you and your ilk. Talking to a fanatic or naivete here is too much and I'm too fraking old for this.

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Next thread, "The myth of the Stab in the Back Theory"

Sometimes getting out of a war is not so much a crime as getting into it in the first place. I am curious: what does this revisionist Vietnam history teach us about Afghanistan and Iraq?

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