The Vietnam War myth

[Bear]

Wait forget it...I'm wasting my time here.
I have nothing left to say to you and your ilk. Talking to a fanatic or naivete here is too much and I'm too fraking old for this

I don't get it.

JasonC post his opinion that the war in Vietnam effectively was won (don't know if that is true; I haven't got the info and/or resources to check up on this) and the withdrawal was carried out without a military reason but because of a political one. He didn't say or post anything whether the war was legally right.

You don't react to his statements but you are protesting vehemently against the fact that the war never should have been waged at all.

I think you two are talking about different subjects.

But interestingly (for me as a non-US citizen), that war is appearently a deep rift in the US today.

The War in Viet Nam was immoral, since it was without a Casus Belli and that is a fact. And the war was the first time the U.S. gave the president war powers. The congress has the authority to declare war, not the President. So, no casus belli, and not congressional declaration of war yet the president went to war with only "leaders" of the congress endorsing it. And for years the public was behind it because it was subjected to rampant propaganda supporting the "Domino Theory", that is if communism is not stopped in asia it will sweep across the pacific and the U.S. and Canada will be faced with a Pan Asiatic Communist League. That is also historical fact of the 1960s.
In conventional and historical terms, the U.S. lost the war.
And I'm sorry to repeat myself, it was a geopolitcal adventure that was a victory. To demonstrate to the Chinese that the U.S. was ready and willing to shed it's sons blood for ideology and geopolitical reasons, and not only for self defense.
The U.S. war justification was theoretical in that it was to prevent a creep towards a greater war. The historical sample is Germany's annexation of "Sudetenland" of Czechoslovakia.
At that critical moment on the road to W.W.2, ironically the Soviet Union was the only nation deliberating that Germany created a Casus Belli. England, France, U.S. and Poland were not tuned in to this reality at the time.
The bottom line, the war was a stalemate. But if one believes that potential Chinese expansionism and arrogance was thwarted then a major regional or world war was circumvented. It is imperitive to say that the Viet Namese people suffered casualties in the million or more and I (we) should have some empathy for those people, who btw were predominantly Roman Catholic wearing their crosses into combat.

Btw, my statement of past service was not meant as a boast or holier that thou posturing. I injected my role only that I was a first person witness to what was REALLY going on in the field. And some of it, I'm advised is still classified.