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The Vietnam War myth
05-07-2010, 01:53 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-07-2010, 01:55 AM by low_bidder.)
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RE: The Vietnam War myth
"I am a US citizen, and we do not have a Democracy, it is truly a Republic of States. "

I'm afraid I am going to have to disagree with you. The Constitution as originally written and ratified would produce a "true Republic of Sovereign states". That dream ended in 1860, when Lincoln used military force to subdue some of those states and deny them Sovereign status.
Remember, the War of Secession started when Lincoln refused to remove Federal troops from Fort Sumner. Under the original constitution the order to remove those troops was legal.
The 3rd Amendment prohibits quarting except in time of war;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Amend...nstitution

Lincoln's refusal was unconstitutional and an act of war. At that time, the Federal Government had no Constitutional authority to override State Law prohibiting Federal troops on State Land.
What the USA has today is a Federal Republic, with the Federal Government claiming the authority to cherry pick which rights states have. Witness Arizona.
The Federal Government is attempting to deny Arizona the right to defend it's borders. Not from another State but from a sovereign nation.
I think we have drifted off topic here. Was it intentional?
I have noticed that the 4th world tends to change the topic when they are getting pounded by facts. What does just war THEORY have to do with the end game in Vietnam? Since the communists that McCarthy warned us about forced the USA to abandon Vietnam before the original mission was complete, it is impossible to determine if it was a "Just War" or not. That is because the biggest part of a just war is based on winning that war.
So your attempt to change the topic is sort of like being down 21-0 and having the other team with the ball, first and goal at the 6 yard line. It's to late for moving the goal posts to matter. So you want the ground crew to bring out the nets and change the game to Soccer.
Sorry Charlie, Star Kist only takes fine tuna and that isn't going to float.
If you are correct, then disprove the contention that without the US Congress denying funds to S. Vietnam and shutting off the fuel it needed to run a modern military S, Vietnam would still be here today. Without the action by Congress, there is no reason to believe that the North would have done any better in '75 then they did in '72. It is extremely unlikely that the North would have even tried their Conventional invasion without the US Congress making a preemptive strike on the South's logistic train.
Quartering. I suppose I should use the preview button.
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The Vietnam War myth - by Crossroads - 04-16-2010, 02:21 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by fastphil - 04-18-2010, 01:01 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by Bear - 04-18-2010, 08:58 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by JasonC - 04-19-2010, 02:41 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by FM WarB - 04-20-2010, 05:21 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by low_bidder - 04-29-2010, 02:42 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by FM WarB - 05-01-2010, 02:28 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by Bear - 04-20-2010, 01:04 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by Bert Blitzkrieg - 04-21-2010, 11:46 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by Bear - 04-23-2010, 02:07 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by JasonC - 04-20-2010, 06:11 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by FM WarB - 04-20-2010, 08:05 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by Herr Straße Laufer - 04-22-2010, 07:59 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by JasonC - 04-23-2010, 10:26 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by JasonC - 04-24-2010, 03:25 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by FM WarB - 04-24-2010, 04:03 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by wildb - 04-25-2010, 01:02 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by Bear - 04-25-2010, 01:55 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by wildb - 04-25-2010, 11:52 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by JasonC - 04-28-2010, 02:07 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by FM WarB - 04-28-2010, 10:14 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by Crossroads - 04-29-2010, 12:22 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by Ricky B - 05-01-2010, 04:07 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by bwv - 05-02-2010, 06:46 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by Bear - 05-02-2010, 09:45 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by low_bidder - 05-02-2010, 07:25 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by Bear - 05-03-2010, 12:38 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by bwv - 05-03-2010, 04:59 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by low_bidder - 05-04-2010, 06:24 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by Bear - 05-06-2010, 03:17 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by JasonC - 05-06-2010, 07:07 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by Crossroads - 05-06-2010, 03:02 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by low_bidder - 05-07-2010, 01:53 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by JasonC - 05-07-2010, 07:53 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by Crossroads - 05-07-2010, 08:08 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by bwv - 05-07-2010, 10:11 AM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by JasonC - 05-07-2010, 06:13 PM
RE: The Vietnam War myth - by JasonC - 05-08-2010, 08:05 AM

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