Infantry Against Tanks 1941

[Ratzki]

I think that if the Russians had been performing so greatly and consistantly across the fronts and that the mighty molotov was indeed so mighty, the Germans would have picked up the weapon and produced it in great numbers instead of investing research into the Pzfaust and other AT weapons. As well, there should be Russian formations that are common knowledge of everyone, that are well know for combat greatness like many German formations such as the GD and several SS divisions, to name a few.

This quote is a fraud, false and does not come close to anything I wrote here. I never said that and this thread is a record that I DID NOT WRITE THAT.

You were making a point on page two of this thread how great the performance was of the 1st Guards Mot. Rifle Division in stopping the German advance in the Orsha Smolensk area during 1941. I was commenting that it might not have been so on a consistent basis. This division was totally wiped out in July 1941 near Smolensk (Glantz- Colossus Reborn) and had to be totally remade. What I have been trying to say is yes(note the word YES), the Russians did have very (read VERY) limited success in 1941 and early 42, but by no means can it be said that they all or even some had continued success during their often short lives. And on top of this, most Russian successes came on the shirt-tails of poor German logistics, ect. Once these German setbacks had time to regroup, they went right back to roughing up Russian divisions across the fronts. This continued right up to late 1942. Again, with fewer and fewer resources and men the Germans continued to make gain after gain against numerically superior and often better equiped Russian formations.
You also made sure that the molotov issue was brought forth in your post as though it somehow had some bearing on the outcome of the battles involving the 1st Guards Mot. Rifle Division. I am not arguing that they probably had quite a few of the cocktails in hand, but I suggested by loooking at what the other nations in the war were researching and producing at the time in the way of AT weapons, that there value must have been rather limited by nature. And for Mr Yormsha, this would apply to both real life and CMBB experience. As MR has stated elsewhere, this is all they had so they used them, but it does not mean that they would not have went to something else given the chance, or that they performed exceptionally well in any situation.