A few armored car musings and misc. requests

[Hawk Kriegsman]

You misunderstand me Hawk; I'm not in any kind of hurry for a 'defensive value vehicle rule,' nor am I saying anyone should abide by my ideas or that such is mandatory.

No I do not misunderstand you. Nor did I think that you were saying that people should abide by your ideas. You are expressing ideas and I am expressing ideas. Nothing more or less.

I just thought that an easily explained system based on common sense (by somebody) would be a convenient way of ferreting out units with defensive values that were out of whack. Like I said earlier, the vast majority of units in the game seem to have accurate values that are consistent with factors such as armor thickness.

You may never be able to get that explaination. Also there is nothing easy about it. There are so many unique factors (ie. the giant engine air intake grille on the left side of the Char B1, the poor quality steel used in the IS tank series, the PZ III F having a weak spot in the turret ring, the unbreakable rubber filled wheels of the BA20,........etc, etc, etc) that there is no easy formula that can be slapped in place.

But I do concur that it's not like this needs to be done soon, maybe not ever,

Common ground!

but I feel (rather strongly) that some light vehicles in the game need to have their defensive values tweaked - based, if nothing else, on common sense.

On this we do not agree.

Example; there's no way an essentially unarmored BA-20 'armored car' (only the turret was armored, and even then just barely) should have a 'hard' defense value of '3,' when many fully tracked, fully enclosed light tanks with substantial armor (up to 30mm) have the same defense value

This is false. I encourage you to read up on the BA20. The BA20 was fully armored (agreed thinly) steel structure welded onto a civilian car chassis. It has reinforced axles and specially designed unbreakble tires. It was better than a truck. Is it a hard defnse 3? Maybe, maybe not. What I do know is they die like flies in CS. If you lower them to 2, they will die like flies. Net game effect....none.

What light tank has 30mm of armor and only has a 3 defense factor?

Thanks for the comments and suggestions everyone!

Agreed 100%

Thanx!

Erik