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Is this a bug/mistake?
10-03-2011, 04:35 AM,
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RE: Is this a bug/mistake?
Gents, my 0,02 although I must be mad to join in this trench warfare. But then again, maybe we are all a bit mad here (as Cheshire cat).

(10-02-2011, 10:50 PM)Herr Straßen Läufer Wrote: I hate to repeat myself (because I am not cut and pasting).
Scale is what makes this a tactical level game? Scale, both distance and time, is what determines how far a unit moves and a gun fires. Last I heard movement and fire is the heart of the game. How units do that is important.
It does not matter if you want to design a 400 x 400 map with three Corps per side. It does matter when you add 500 turns into the mix.
Take a large Normandy or Kursk scenario. I am fine with them. Sixty turns would give them a rough days worth of fighting, though stretching the time parameter a bit. If the designer wanted to show a days worth of fighting, he would have hit the nail on the head.

I believe no one really disagrees on the 250/6/platoon thingie as for the basic scale. Movement, fire rate, everything is designed around it. Fully agreed.

As you point out, should anyone design a 400x400 hex Corps scenario on platoon level he'd be rather pushing the armchair general's endurance to the limit, not the unit scale limit as such.

The problems we seem to constantly run in this discussion and in the dozens of similar earlier imho have to do with timescale, and timescale alone.

Maybe we should separate the timescale into a separate discussion.

A Corps scenario with 500 turns? Any scenario with 500 turns. Hmmm. The likely result is a very strange scenario.

Agreed?

What about a 60 turn Kursk scenario you mention as an example?

Ten hours of as-is time scale. Every platoon fighting every minute of the long day, without a pause. Plausible? Maybe. Maybe not.

I believe with that example we have propably reached or even passed the limit of the strict timescale adherence.

And it has nothing to do with game engine but everything to do how the scenario turns out.

The issue is the fact that these little computer platoons never tire, never run out of ammo, never stop to have a tea break, fight until bitter end, ...

And, realistically, you can only fight so long without stopping for a cup of tea.

(10-03-2011, 01:50 AM)Hawk Kriegsman Wrote: It is not about Matrix. The game scale statement of 250 meters per hex and 6 minute turns is their users manual too!

Why is it in there if it does not matter or is inaccurate?

I'll answer that for you. Because all the unit data and parameters are based on it.

Like I said before. If you want to design a 50 turn scenario depicting several hours / days of battle, by all means do it.

If it is fun I will play it and recommend it. If it sucks I won't.

In the end that is what should probably matter most to a designer.

Again, the unit scale and the engine design as such is not an issue is it.

As for the timescale, I believe we start to be on the gray area on any scenario lasting longer than let us say 20 - 25 turns. Just a hunch.

Apart from that, I fully agree on your closing remark. I mean, if it is fun, I will play it as well.

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Is this a bug/mistake? - by Wolfman - 09-12-2011, 02:14 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Dan Caviness - 09-17-2011, 11:03 PM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by John Given - 09-18-2011, 02:16 PM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Huib Versloot - 09-22-2011, 11:35 PM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Dan Caviness - 09-21-2011, 09:52 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Jason Petho - 09-23-2011, 11:21 PM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Wolfman - 09-23-2011, 11:46 PM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Jason Petho - 09-24-2011, 12:44 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Jason Petho - 09-24-2011, 07:13 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 09-25-2011, 01:44 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Wolfman - 09-25-2011, 01:06 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Scud - 09-25-2011, 02:48 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Jason Petho - 09-25-2011, 03:25 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 09-25-2011, 05:28 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 09-25-2011, 11:36 PM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Jason Petho - 09-26-2011, 12:39 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 09-26-2011, 01:19 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by von Manstein - 09-26-2011, 02:45 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 09-26-2011, 03:36 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by von Manstein - 09-26-2011, 04:14 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 09-26-2011, 04:25 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 09-27-2011, 08:09 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Dan Caviness - 09-25-2011, 10:39 PM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Dan Caviness - 09-25-2011, 10:55 PM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Dan Caviness - 09-26-2011, 12:21 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 09-26-2011, 12:26 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by von Manstein - 09-26-2011, 12:40 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by von Manstein - 09-27-2011, 01:53 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Jason Petho - 09-27-2011, 05:47 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 09-27-2011, 06:43 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 09-27-2011, 11:27 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 09-27-2011, 07:17 PM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Huib Versloot - 09-26-2011, 06:15 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 09-26-2011, 07:12 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Scud - 09-26-2011, 07:44 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 09-26-2011, 08:21 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Dragoon - 09-26-2011, 08:16 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Dragoon - 09-26-2011, 08:29 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Dragoon - 09-27-2011, 02:38 PM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 09-27-2011, 10:06 PM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Jason Petho - 09-28-2011, 03:48 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Glint - 10-01-2011, 03:00 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 10-01-2011, 04:59 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Glint - 10-01-2011, 10:08 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Huib Versloot - 10-02-2011, 07:57 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 10-03-2011, 01:50 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Crossroads - 10-03-2011, 04:35 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 10-03-2011, 06:04 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Crossroads - 10-02-2011, 04:45 PM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Kool Kat - 10-03-2011, 07:21 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by keif149 - 10-03-2011, 08:38 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Hawk Kriegsman - 10-03-2011, 09:40 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Crossroads - 10-04-2011, 04:38 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Jason Petho - 10-04-2011, 05:02 AM
RE: Is this a bug/mistake? - by Crossroads - 10-04-2011, 05:05 AM

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