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Whats next???
12-26-2013, 06:28 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-27-2013, 04:49 AM by ComradeP.)
RE: Whats next???
Well, one of the challenges would be that the game abstracts a number of things into a single value, sometimes more than similar wargames.

For example, if you would tie movement rates to being Out of Command, the Soviets would possibly get better movement rates in Moscow '42 because they have a higher global supply level (although worse HQ's overall).

Movement rate bonuses being determined by quality also means that the A quality German vehicle units compensate to a significant extent for the frozen penalty with their quality-related movement bonus.

The supply system is generally a useful tool for balancing, but in this case getting certain results in certain situations is not guaranteed because the system isn't "you're in supply, or you're not" like most wargames, or with an X amount of supply delivered each turn like some, but a roll based on the local supply level. Statistically speaking, it's perfectly possible for units with a supply level in the 30's not to become Low Ammo for a while.

If you want to represent a situation where the terrain historically prevented adequate resupply, like in the forests around Moscow, that becomes difficult to reproduce because the local supply value drops by one-two points per hex (more or less), but doesn't neccesarily decrease dramatically. You can compensate for that to a certain extent by increasing or decreasing supply source supply values/their effective "burst" radius.

Similar to SSG games, where PzG regiments can "drag" the Panzers through some difficult terrain hexes due to how the games handle stack movement, motorized/mechanized units are not necessarily penalized in difficult terrain. To use Moscow '42 as an example again: the Schuetzen units are A quality, and get 28 movement points for a frozen/clear movement cost of 2x7=14 per hex, enough to move 2 clear hexes, whilst dragging their trucks after them, whilst regular infantry moves slower due to being B quality and getting 26 movement points.

Due to the unit quality system, low quality units making a stand in difficult terrain is also more unlikely to happen than in many other wargames. An A quality Panzer division attacking in the woods is going to remove a D quality Rifle division over time, simply because its units will quickly disrupt and the woods only give it some protection against superior German soft attack values. That's mostly caused by the terrain bonuses being lower than in other wargames. For example, in War in the East a woods hex could theoretically (depending on roll) double defensive CV due to the organic terrain fort level.
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Whats next??? - by Xaver - 05-29-2013, 08:24 PM
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