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Patch?
07-21-2014, 03:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-21-2014, 03:45 PM by ComradeP.)
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RE: Patch?
Bayes: ah yes, it seems I was mixing the tables by you and Strela up as in your example N is firing range whilst in Strela's table it's the range modifier. I thought you meant that N was the range modifier in your example though, even though you called it firing range.

Dog Soldier: you illustrate the problems of balancing a game with such varied scenarios. "0712_02: Hill 252_2" and "0708_01: Voronezh Front - July 8th" have the Soviets either attacking a strong defensive position with limited armour or with spread out and depleted forces. In the second scenario, the Germans also have very strong air units that can kill the weakened tank companies in 1 attack run.

One thing I don't understand about "0712_02: Hill 252_2" is that in the Prokhorovka scenario on the same date, the Soviets have an additional Tank brigade as well as significant infantry forces and artillery north of the German positions which are not included in the scenario. The Germans, on the other hand, have all of the defenders in that sector at their disposal.

As with any shorter scenario with numerous Fixed units, the Soviets are also far more limited in their strategic options than in a longer scenario where they might deeply their forces more freely (such as in 0706_06 Ozerovskii, if they get the chance to do so).

I would still say 0706_07: Nepkhaevo illustrates the problem of the Germans not being able to kill Soviet tanks quickly enough in a tank vs. tank engagement. If you had at your disposal an additional Tank brigade, or even a battalion of additional T-34's, it would've been far more difficult for me to win, if not impossible.

0706_04: Nechaevka is another example of different starting conditions in a larger scenario making the situation at the start of what would be a shorter scenario (Nepkhaevo) quite different. In Nechaevka, the Germans have dozens of additional tanks, both in the Panzer regiment itself and in the Panzerjaeger unit (which mainly consists of T-34's), StuGs and strong air support.

The Soviets in Nepkhaevo are Fixed until 19:00. The Soviets also have some additional tank forces, but those are D quality and likely to suffer a few breakdowns before they get to Nepkhaevo. Even if they do get there, they still can't coordinate with the Guards Tank Brigade as it's Fixed. The numerous Soviet AT assets can reliably be taken care of by German infantry and artillery. Soviet artillery support is minimal.

In a purely tank vs. tank battle with the Soviets (with good tanks) outnumbering the Germans, without there being German infantry or AT assets to act as tripwires or to keep the Soviets busy, the Germans have a much more difficult time than in a situation where they do have AT and infantry assets to support the tanks. That is logical in away, and the same situation applies to the Soviets to a lesser extent (as in: the Soviets also have a greater chance to hold their positions if they have AT and infantry with tanks in support). Historically, instances where the Soviets had strong AT and infantry positions were more difficult for the Germans to overcome than instances where the Soviets outnumbered them with tanks up until 1.5:1-2:1 odds in numbers of tanks used.
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Patch? - by fetmun - 07-11-2014, 03:45 PM
RE: Patch? - by Strela - 07-12-2014, 02:20 AM
RE: Patch? - by ComradeP - 07-12-2014, 05:11 AM
RE: Patch? - by Ricky B - 07-12-2014, 07:26 AM
RE: Patch? - by ComradeP - 07-12-2014, 04:01 PM
RE: Patch? - by Strela - 07-12-2014, 06:40 PM
RE: Patch? - by Bayes - 07-19-2014, 07:33 AM
RE: Patch? - by ComradeP - 07-12-2014, 08:42 PM
RE: Patch? - by Xaver - 07-13-2014, 12:36 AM
RE: Patch? - by Dog Soldier - 07-14-2014, 05:25 AM
RE: Patch? - by ComradeP - 07-14-2014, 08:32 AM
RE: Patch? - by Strela - 07-19-2014, 11:16 AM
RE: Patch? - by Bayes - 07-19-2014, 08:12 PM
RE: Patch? - by Richie61 - 07-19-2014, 01:03 PM
RE: Patch? - by Riley D. Smith - 07-19-2014, 11:30 PM
RE: Patch? - by ComradeP - 07-20-2014, 12:45 AM
RE: Patch? - by Bayes - 07-20-2014, 09:20 PM
RE: Patch? - by Richie61 - 07-20-2014, 07:37 AM
RE: Patch? - by Liquid_Sky - 07-20-2014, 01:58 PM
RE: Patch? - by Richie61 - 07-20-2014, 02:03 PM
RE: Patch? - by Dog Soldier - 07-21-2014, 06:38 AM
RE: Patch? - by Jeff Conner - 07-21-2014, 09:39 AM
RE: Patch? - by Richie61 - 07-23-2014, 03:16 PM
RE: Patch? - by ComradeP - 07-21-2014, 03:42 PM
RE: Patch? - by Strela - 07-21-2014, 05:34 PM
RE: Patch? - by ComradeP - 07-21-2014, 08:20 PM
RE: Patch? - by Volcano Man - 07-23-2014, 03:24 PM
RE: Patch? - by Volcano Man - 07-23-2014, 06:04 PM
RE: Patch? - by ComradeP - 07-23-2014, 10:30 PM
RE: Patch? - by Volcano Man - 07-24-2014, 02:42 AM
RE: Patch? - by ComradeP - 07-24-2014, 03:02 AM
RE: Patch? - by Strela - 08-19-2014, 02:38 AM
RE: Patch? - by ComradeP - 08-19-2014, 04:45 AM
RE: Patch? - by Strela - 08-19-2014, 09:31 AM
RE: Patch? - by Strela - 08-19-2014, 11:34 PM
RE: Patch? - by -72- - 08-20-2014, 09:11 PM
RE: Patch? - by Tide1 - 08-19-2014, 09:03 AM
RE: Patch? - by Compass Rose - 08-19-2014, 09:35 AM
RE: Patch? - by Xaver - 08-19-2014, 07:40 PM
RE: Patch? - by Xaver - 08-20-2014, 03:40 AM
RE: Patch? - by enigma6584 - 08-21-2014, 04:05 AM
RE: Patch? - by Outlaw Josey Wales - 08-25-2014, 02:14 AM
RE: Patch? - by Strela - 08-25-2014, 01:02 PM
RE: Patch? - by fetmun - 09-03-2014, 03:09 AM
RE: Patch? - by Strela - 09-03-2014, 11:05 AM
RE: Patch? - by Xaver - 09-04-2014, 03:14 AM
RE: Patch? - by Strela - 09-04-2014, 11:34 AM
RE: Patch? - by Xaver - 09-12-2014, 09:20 PM
RE: Patch? - by Strela - 09-12-2014, 11:13 PM

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