Hidden units and visibility improving

[Dog Soldier]

In my test I found the Soviet unit is fixed initially in ComradeP's example. This is how things look from both sides in their turns with FOW on. The image on the left is taken during the Axis first turn at night. The image on the right is taken from the Soviet first night turn.


The Soviet ATR unit needs an Axis unit next to it (one hex visibility at night) to release it. The two images below show things from both sides in the turn this happens. The Axis unit is unaware of the Soviet ATR unit in the bunker. The Soviet unit can see the Axis unit in the subsequent Soviet turn.


Now the Soviet unit exits the bunker some time after being released. I waited an extra turn in this case. Neither unit can see the other because the night LOS is only one hex.


After one more Axis night turn the Soviet ATR moves into the scattered building hex. Being night this move is not detected by the Axis unit.


Now I advance the turn and watch the Soviet replay of their turn as the Axis player. At the end of the replay the Soviet unit is still hidden! It is the Axis dawn turn.


After the replay the Soviet ATR unit is revealed. If visibility at dawn was only three hexes instead of four (or the Axis unit was one hex further away) the Soviet unit would have remained hidden.


I agree that it is technically correct that the Soviet unit should have remained hidden. IMHO I would not dance on the very edge of know visibility until Strela can take a look at this and determine if there is a problem or a better explanation.

The visibility seems to either change after the second player hits end turn but still technically on his turn, or be retroactively applied to the second player on the previous turn for some reason.

No there is no retroactive application of visibility I am aware of. Visibility does change at the start of the first player's turn so it can apply equally to both players for a full turn before any change occurs.

The situations in the screenshot are in sequence, from night to dawn (the final screenshot). The Axis screenshots, the second and fourth, have FOW enabled.

Note that this happens in all situations, not just at dawn.

I can confirm what you are seeing. I have run a test and got the same result with a dawn turn. I can understand it can happen on other turns when one is playing along the edge of LOS.

However, if the Russian unit were to move into cover well outside of the known or expected LOS, even with a visibility change which is never more than one hex per turn, it will remain hidden. To be safe a player who wants to remain hidden on the next turn when they know visibility is increasing should allow for a margin of at least an extra hex rather than trying to dance on the edge of the known LOS. That is what I do and I have not had my units revealed.

Dog Soldier