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France 14 - Now where is that HKK 3?
01-04-2015, 05:32 PM,
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RE: France 14 - Now where is that HKK 3?
My pleasure, besides the entertainment that these games provide it's a good way to gain knowledge about the Western Campaign in 1914.

Now I already apologize for some headache for you.
Regarding the #1914_0822_01s_Campaign_Early scenario, take a look at this map:
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You see by the 27th August the 7. KD and 8. KD back on the right(West) flank of the 6. Armee, 7. KD at Chateau-Salins and 8. KD South-East of it. And by the 5th September you see the b. KD & 7. KD covering the right(West) flank of the 6. Armee with HKK 3.
The 3rd Volume of the book series notes that by the 28th August there was the intention to unite the 3 cavalry divisions(b. KD, 7. KD, 8. KD) under the HKK 3 near Delme and that on the 28th the flank of the 6. Armee was secured by the HKK 3 with its divisions.
I suggest that at some point(27th-28th) in the Campaign the 7. KD and 8. KD should arrive on the South-Eastern map edge(maybe on the height of Luneville) and so be available to the German player as covering force that he has to move up to have something between Metz and his 6. Armee.

And regarding the 8. KD and its move to the Eastfront, it's noted that on 29th August OHL ordered the the 8. KD to prepare for the withdrawal to the East and that on 31st August 8. KD was removed from HKK 3 and the position it held was taken over by the 7. KD.
So I suggest to use the 31st as withdrawal date for the 8. KD.


I haven't checked #Grand_Campaign_F14-A but maybe the same things I just mentioned are reasonable here too.


The adjustments for the cavalry in #1914_0820_01s_Nancy sounds great, as for their starting positions I have read that the 8. KD was on the "Delmer Rücken"(likely the high ground north of Delme) on 9.30 in the morning and that the Bavarian cavalry division was only able to reach the same area by afternoon.

While I was looking through the German forces in this scenario I couldn't oversee that the 6. b. ID just like the 10. and 4. Ersatz-Division are fixed till the 21st, don't see a reason for this, the 6. b. ID had its attack order like the rest of the III b. Korps and the 10. Ersatz moved over Han(likely Han sur-Nied) and reached the "Delmer Rücken" just like the b. KD by afternoon but was tired because it had marched since 4.00 in the morning, and the 4. Ersatz had already a part(6 battalions, 2 squadrons, 5 batteries) of its forces under control of the II b. Korps.
If you are worried about an overweight in German forces I suggest to remove the I Bavarian Korps(Not the Bavarian reserve corps, that is OK) instead as it doesn't look like this corps ever went far enough West to appear on the map, it was under control of the 7. Armee and on the border to the 6. Armee.

Another suggestion concerns the 33. Reserve Division, it was coming out of Metz and had order to reach the line between Cheminot and Nomeny and should come down the roads left and right of "Feste Wagner", currently one column comes down the road much further west at the Moselle river.
Also it should start the scenario on map as the text further notes that the 8. KD was on the "Delmer Rücken"(likely the high ground north of Delme) and by 9.30 in the morning it made contact with the Metz Reserve near Nomeny, what means the columns of 33. Reserve Division should start on the roads just south of the excluded Metz fortress area.


And thanks Ed that you still work on these scenarios.Thank You Sign
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RE: France 14 - Now where is that HKK 3? - by BigDuke66 - 01-04-2015, 05:32 PM

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