The Storm in the East Tournament - Round 1

[iluvmy88]

Raz - the one guy getting zero points isn't the issue - someone getting ALL of the points is the problem

I understand what you mean, but i don't think there is much we can do. If your opponent's forces are spent and he surrenders how many points should you get? Floki suggested we might use the average points awarded for wins (the same as if someone drops out), but would this really be fair? I mean you might be getting all the points when the battle reaches it's normal end, which is a likely option if your opponent believes he has no other choice than to surrender, anyhow.

Raz

A couple of questions/points to be made here - I don’t agree at all that if actual points were tallied then in a surrender situation the winner would possibly get all the points anyway. The AI fights back on behalf of each player, so unless the quitter surrendered as soon as the first shots were fired, his guys would’ve inflicted some enemy losses. Iluvmy88 says he only had one casualty, so the other guy must’ve quit right away – so 88 got credit for killing more than 50% of all the other guys forces AND the obj hexes, from the get go in this surrender example, correct?

So, on a technical note my question is, does the game system award ALL points to the winner in a surrender situation, regardless of the actual tally count – I can’t remember. If this is what happened here, because my other question is, where did the 1350 come from then – If I count correctly, there are 1400 points total available – so the quitter get 50 points for 1 enemy casualty, or did I miscount the total number of points available?

I do agree that it would be hard to determine how many points should go to the winner, but there is one way, as I mentioned before – one guy wants to surrender, the other guy accepts,…. both sides hit cease fire and the points that exist at that time are the points awarded to each player. Since you don’t know what the points will be in a cease fire situation, that may not necessarily be a good idea any for either player.

What happens if a fight goes down to the last 5 turns or so and one of the guys surrenders – does the other guy get all the points then? The cease fire resolution is the only thing in my mind that is fair.

As far as damage done, I don’t know what you mean in your direct email to me by “so far only 1 game has been sunrrendered so I guess not a lot of damage was done”. Actually the other guys in group 1 (at least the three others who didn’t surrender) who are fighting will have to overcome this points advantage in order to advance to the second round. My point is that this really makes the playing field unlevel for the three other guys not involved in this surrender scenario, and for anyone else in the tourney where the same thing happens in their group.

i will post the end battle report if i can find it......the folder was deleted from dropbox, it was however not a initial surrender he had some 34 inf killed and 4 t-34's and 2 t-70s killed i dont remember casualties. he had no chance of winning even with reinforcements.