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tournament proposal
05-26-2015, 10:11 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-26-2015, 11:06 AM by oldrocky.)
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RE: tournament proposal
(05-26-2015, 04:43 AM)Air Master Wrote: [quote='oldrocky' pid='401074' dateline='1432003774']
I just created a Master Map and split it into 3 sections. I made some minor modifications on one I found in the map folder so it would be quick and easy.

Map is attached

Ok I have read the RoE. Some points:

1. On Z Fire...150m for inf is fine but 10 hexes will be impossible to police and involve a lot of tedious hex counting. May I suggest 150m for squads and AI decides for all support and AFVs?

2. Restricting AFVs in woods (Weasel) is a good idea but again not enforceable. Woods do vary in density and the AI does slow AFVs down reasonably. Best left to 2 trusted opponents.

3. Artillery - same hex not always used in reality, often deliberately spread. Suggest adjacent hexes plotted for each battery and readjusted for all to be adjacent.

4. Artillery deployment - do you mean adjacent hexes or with a maximum of one hex space?

5. Experience - if you start at 90 we will be playing with super-heroes vs super heroes very rapidly. If we are doing summer 44 then one can say that the quality on both sides varied considerably. I would have thought that 70 should be a maximum number to start with. The thing with "battle-hardened" is that the unit has usually experienced significant casualties and therefore churn and therefore many green replacements, does retain a hard core of vets - a la Sven Hassel. LOL

Hi Air Master
Thanks for your input.

Regarding issue #1: I realize that the 10 hex Z Fire limit may be tedious but we have to have something that will reflect realistically historical events so therefore I came up with 10 hex's. It seems reasonable considering WW2 optic's and the Command & Control system. Play testing and experience shows that the system is very playable.

#2: I feel that an AFV rule is unnecessary. Consider trying to get a tank through 40 density woods hex compared to a 10 density. The lesser density reflects the fact that there is more maneuver room thus allowing better mobility. Just because a hex has trees in it doesn't mean it is actually a forest and this fact is represented by the "density. It could very well have only a couple/few trees in the hex. Same with certain town hex's that you can Z Fire through. A hex represents 150 feet (approx) and a low density town hex may have 1 or 2 buildings only which cover 20 to 30 feet of the 150 foot hex. A fraction. I feel SP Camo did well in modeling the terrain.

#3: Regarding the Arty Routine I'd like to first say that none of these ROEs are written in stone and I'll leave it up to the consensus as to what rules we end up playing with but in WW2 the Arty battery's did in fact use the same coordinates for all tubes when plotting a fire mission. There may have been the ability to make adjustments for "spreads" that were capably carried out by experienced crews, FO's, and Commanders all working together efficiently but it was not doctrine in that time period. (To my knowledge.)

#4 The tubes should not be more that 1 hex from the "0" unit of the battery. Again this is something that can be decided by player consensus.

#5: This is not a campaign so the experience level will not change throughout this Tournament. You do have a point about the variety of experience levels within a unit what with new replacements and such being absorbed but the experience, morale, etc, levels will be assigned in the SPWW2 Scenario Editor with a range from 75 to 95 and this should give the units an average of around 80 to 85. The default 70 is for Green Troops and is just way too low and won't allow troops to withstand a Z Fire attack. It has always been my intention of using the Editor to assign the experience levels but I failed to mention this in the ROE.

Thanks to everyone for their interest and input and before this Tourney kicks off we'll determine a solid ROE that's acceptable.
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tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-17-2015, 02:24 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by Air Master - 05-17-2015, 08:01 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by KAreil - 05-18-2015, 12:34 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-18-2015, 01:18 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-18-2015, 01:38 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by low_bidder - 05-18-2015, 05:55 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-18-2015, 07:05 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-18-2015, 07:17 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Walrus - 05-18-2015, 07:34 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-18-2015, 11:21 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-18-2015, 11:48 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by Air Master - 05-26-2015, 04:29 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Weasel - 05-19-2015, 07:38 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-19-2015, 07:58 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-19-2015, 08:49 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Weasel - 05-19-2015, 11:29 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-19-2015, 12:06 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-19-2015, 12:49 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by Air Master - 05-26-2015, 04:43 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-26-2015, 10:11 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-19-2015, 01:03 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-19-2015, 01:39 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by Ratel - 05-20-2015, 05:57 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-20-2015, 08:33 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-21-2015, 05:20 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Walrus - 05-21-2015, 11:38 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-21-2015, 03:19 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by Ratel - 05-22-2015, 06:22 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by roman - 05-22-2015, 12:08 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-22-2015, 12:21 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by roman - 05-22-2015, 01:15 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by SaSTrooP - 05-23-2015, 07:23 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-23-2015, 08:03 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by KAreil - 05-23-2015, 07:24 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-24-2015, 01:13 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by roman - 05-26-2015, 08:18 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-26-2015, 10:52 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Buckaroo - 05-27-2015, 12:16 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 05-28-2015, 01:18 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Buckaroo - 05-31-2015, 12:12 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 06-01-2015, 06:06 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by BigDuke66 - 06-03-2015, 04:27 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 06-07-2015, 12:56 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by BigDuke66 - 06-09-2015, 08:38 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 06-13-2015, 07:19 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Air Master - 06-13-2015, 06:54 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 06-14-2015, 08:31 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by roman - 06-13-2015, 10:11 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Ratel - 06-13-2015, 05:19 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 06-21-2015, 01:37 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by BigDuke66 - 06-21-2015, 07:02 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 06-24-2015, 03:24 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Air Master - 06-24-2015, 07:35 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 06-24-2015, 08:04 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 06-24-2015, 07:41 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Ratel - 06-25-2015, 04:34 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 06-25-2015, 05:42 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by roman - 06-25-2015, 11:36 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 06-28-2015, 03:17 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Air Master - 07-01-2015, 04:44 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by BigDuke66 - 06-28-2015, 10:38 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Ratel - 06-29-2015, 07:10 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by BigDuke66 - 06-29-2015, 03:36 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 06-30-2015, 03:20 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by SaSTrooP - 07-01-2015, 02:41 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 07-01-2015, 02:49 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by BigDuke66 - 07-01-2015, 04:04 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by KAreil - 07-01-2015, 02:13 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by Air Master - 07-01-2015, 06:38 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 07-02-2015, 02:25 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by oldrocky - 07-08-2015, 08:12 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Air Master - 07-08-2015, 09:56 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by roman - 07-12-2015, 10:30 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Ratel - 07-13-2015, 05:01 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by SaSTrooP - 07-13-2015, 08:57 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Ratel - 07-14-2015, 01:41 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by low_bidder - 07-19-2015, 11:35 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Uncas - 07-19-2015, 08:55 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by SaSTrooP - 07-19-2015, 10:25 PM
RE: tournament proposal - by Ratel - 07-20-2015, 07:52 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by DoubleDeuce - 08-26-2015, 05:14 AM
RE: tournament proposal - by Air Master - 09-15-2015, 03:44 AM

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