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Hidden units
10-19-2020, 10:56 AM,
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RE: Hidden units
(10-18-2020, 01:24 AM)Mowgli Wrote:
(10-18-2020, 12:28 AM)Outlaw Josey Wales Wrote: I don't much care for the hidden units doing everything and not being detected.  It's not like they are Rangers, SS, experienced Paras or elite in general that can pull it off.  Hidden units can stay hidden, but, when a unit is attempting to move into the hex, defensive fire should be triggered, exposing the unit or units.  All units should be revealed as their is not much space available to remain hidden.

I'm only starting to get into Panzer Battles, but I think the concealment mechanics described above turn Panzer Battles into an entirely different beast. Even though the rules are nowhere to be found in any detail in the manual, I suppose that they are the way they are on purpose. I haven't played enough yet, but on paper, it seems as if concealment greatly helps infantry to defend terrain:

Without infantry support, enemy tanks cannot attack into a town held by infantry (combined arms penalty), nor can the tanks just stand back and blast the infantry to oblivion (because they can't target hidden infantry). So, concealment helps infantry to defend "edges" of defensible terrain (without the need to move one hex deeper into the terrain, losing all lines of sight). 

It might even be worthwhile (but risky) for infantry in a town to hold their fire against approaching enemy infantry, hoping for other support weapons (arty, MGs further back, infantry guns, etc) to do the "disruption" job. As long as you hold your fire, you force the opponent into close combat and create one-sided fire situations (your arty hits the enemy, enemy has no target...).

I think I've been trying to play Panzer Battles wrong until now. :) It's not Panzer Campaigns.

PS. Also I might just have picked the wrong title for me. I think Kursk would suit me better than Normandy. Normandy doesn't allow for a lot of manoeuver and recon-shenanigans.

I'm only on my first PBEM game of PzB (North Africa) and I have to say I love the spotting rules (or almost lack of spotting rules).  Like Josey Wales said, I discovered in short order that I could "find" hidden units accidentally and I thought that a little cheesy, and would love if it triggered some sort of OpFire with "ambush" bonus. 

As you correctly point out, this is NOT Panzer Campaigns.  My opponent and I played both the PzB and PzC version of the same battle (Brevity) and while I had very fond memories of T41 and Brevity, when played concurrently, the feel of the T41 version of the battle just feels wrong.  The scale of everything is just wrong for North African combat.  I'm not sure I would find Russian battles at company scale fun because that theater is so huge, but it certainly feels right for Africa.
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Hidden units - by Mowgli - 10-17-2020, 09:20 PM
RE: Hidden units - by LordDeadwood - 10-18-2020, 12:08 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Outlaw Josey Wales - 10-18-2020, 12:28 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Mowgli - 10-18-2020, 01:24 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Steel God - 10-19-2020, 10:56 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Outlaw Josey Wales - 10-19-2020, 11:05 PM
RE: Hidden units - by Mowgli - 10-20-2020, 12:58 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Steel God - 10-20-2020, 03:36 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Strela - 10-20-2020, 12:49 PM
RE: Hidden units - by Dog Soldier - 10-20-2020, 02:57 PM
RE: Hidden units - by kineas - 10-20-2020, 04:00 PM
RE: Hidden units - by Strela - 10-20-2020, 04:06 PM
RE: Hidden units - by Mowgli - 10-23-2020, 02:26 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Strela - 10-23-2020, 02:51 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Mowgli - 10-23-2020, 02:30 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Dog Soldier - 10-21-2020, 11:04 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Steel God - 10-23-2020, 01:41 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Strela - 10-23-2020, 02:03 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Mowgli - 10-23-2020, 11:15 PM
RE: Hidden units - by Strela - 10-24-2020, 01:49 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Mowgli - 10-26-2020, 11:48 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Mowgli - 10-26-2020, 06:46 PM
RE: Hidden units - by Strela - 10-26-2020, 07:10 PM
RE: Hidden units - by Mowgli - 10-26-2020, 07:37 PM
RE: Hidden units - by Strela - 10-31-2020, 01:17 PM
RE: Hidden units - by Mowgli - 10-28-2020, 05:43 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Strela - 10-28-2020, 08:50 AM
RE: Hidden units - by Mowgli - 10-28-2020, 06:55 PM
RE: Hidden units - by Mowgli - 11-04-2020, 07:15 PM

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