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New Kharkov '43 Campaign
10-20-2020, 12:22 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-20-2020, 12:24 AM by Indragnir.)
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RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign
Quote:Green:
However, since you are saying that you are trying to avoid using AAR as the default, presumably you do not agree with this. Or you do agree with the concept but feel that the database values are so poor in relation to this aspect, that you are forced to adopt another approach. In either case you are saying that generally speaking, AAR does not work with the data. Your arguments are that infantry AT effectiveness is under-valued, that infantry effectiveness against bunkers is also under-valued but not for engineers designated as Demolition.

Mainly the second one (agree but...). As I said AAR to me will be used only on scenarios having an attacking side enjoying a big advantage AND IF the defender must hold for a certain time.

Quote:Green:
Basically, you are saying that just looking at the AT weapons possessed by a unit does not tell the full story in terms of ability to deal with armor/bunkers.

Totally. Same for tanks, they are much more than a gun caliber.

Quote:Green:
When you say "A point based upon what happened" I am not sure if you are referring specifically to Kharkov '43 or mean more generally.

In general. At Kharkov' 43 even more regarding SS-PzGrs.

Quote: Green:
Either way you are saying AAR does not necessarily provide an accurate simulation for some other reasons. On the other hand you are saying AAR is needed if one side has a large advantage. Is this an accurate, if somewhat over-simplified, summary of your views?

Yes (the attacker side, if defender has the advantage AAR would make it almost impossible for attacker currently.)

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If so, then a long term solution for the PzC series sounds like a revision upwards of the zero range hard attack values. This would allow for improved AT effectiveness but still taking into account to some degree, the actual AT weapons possessed by the unit rather than just using the general assault value. This would also improve effectiveness against bunkers and cater for situations that are one-sided. There would still be problems but this would seem to solve many.

I agree.

That's just my opinion. Other players/modders/designers could have other opinions as well.

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New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Strela - 08-03-2020, 02:56 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by ComradeP - 08-03-2020, 04:54 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 08-03-2020, 05:10 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Strela - 08-03-2020, 04:55 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 08-05-2020, 08:28 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Strela - 08-05-2020, 06:42 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Mr Grumpy - 08-06-2020, 04:13 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 08-08-2020, 07:00 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 08-08-2020, 07:17 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 08-08-2020, 07:27 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by ComradeP - 08-08-2020, 11:01 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 08-08-2020, 11:34 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Strela - 08-09-2020, 07:19 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by ComradeP - 08-08-2020, 04:38 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 08-09-2020, 07:28 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Strela - 08-10-2020, 07:55 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 08-10-2020, 08:06 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 08-17-2020, 02:28 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 08-17-2020, 04:00 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 08-24-2020, 04:40 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 08-24-2020, 06:28 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Green - 10-13-2020, 10:27 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 10-13-2020, 12:33 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 10-13-2020, 09:09 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Green - 10-14-2020, 10:43 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 10-16-2020, 12:51 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Bioman - 10-16-2020, 09:31 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 10-16-2020, 06:44 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Green - 10-17-2020, 10:02 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 10-20-2020, 12:22 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Green - 10-20-2020, 07:46 AM

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