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JTS Gettysburg pdt bug
08-29-2021, 10:28 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-29-2021, 10:29 AM by -72-.)
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RE: JTS Gettysburg pdt bug
(08-24-2021, 12:57 AM)logruspattern Wrote:
(08-23-2021, 09:13 AM)Ta_72z Wrote: To put things in perspective, this is about 2 guns.  2 guns which in the battle (iirc) were set up on Oak Hill - a fair distance away from anything. Personally I would think any Confederate player would have more problems than worrying about setting up Whitworths in areas that might become close range.

Hence why I said it was an edge case.

Quote:I doubt I'd even call it a bug, but it seems rather more like a ratings disagreement.

I disagree. A ratings disagreement would be the difference between the artillery firepower in the different titles. Take the Napoleon in Gettysburg and Overland1 respectively, for example:

N 1 14 2 11 3 7 4 5 6 3 8 2 10 1 13 .5 -1
N 1 20 2 14 3 8 4 6 6 5 8 3 10 1.5 13 .75 -1

Now the Whitworth; the difference is even more stark with firepower differences of an order of magnitude in many range bands:

W 2 0 14 3 21 2 28 .75 35 .25 70 .2 -1
W 1 15 14 12 21 10 28 8 35 6 70 4 -1

Combined with the facts that it is the only weapon entry that begins with the range '2' instead of 1 in the Gettysburg pdt and any other game pdt that I've seen, and that even indirect fire weapons do not have minimum ranges, I maintain it is a bug.


It also has about a 2.5 inch bore, and based upon the shape of its shell packed a lot less HE material, doesn't appears to have ever used cannister, and was always used in long rage positions (due to the expense in acquiring those pieces, as well as the inability to replace them) ...   with 2 pieces, it would and should be pretty ineffective at that range.  In effect, basically a waste of ammunition. It is debatable if it is too much or not -but the real point is, why would anyone have a Whitworth gun anywhere close to where it has a target within 250 yards?  It's main use was counter-battery fire ... noting how Oak Hill is fairly far from everything on the field of Gettysburg.

A rating is not a bug, it is a choice of the scenario designer -I assume in the Civil War series it is rated in the PDT file (actually I think it is - I was looking at that when I was thinking there was an unaddressed issue with small arms in Franklin).  It's basically a matter of disagreeing with a rating. I didn't rate anything in the Civil War series - but I can see why it might be.

And for what it's worth x4 seems far too powerful -not just based on how they were used, but also based upon the information put out there by Battlefield Trust  (Garry Adelman, but in this case I think it was his subject matter expert, Wayne Mott).
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JTS Gettysburg pdt bug - by logruspattern - 08-22-2021, 11:59 PM
RE: JTS Gettysburg pdt bug - by -72- - 08-23-2021, 09:13 AM
RE: JTS Gettysburg pdt bug - by logruspattern - 08-24-2021, 12:57 AM
RE: JTS Gettysburg pdt bug - by -72- - 08-29-2021, 10:28 AM
RE: JTS Gettysburg pdt bug - by logruspattern - 08-30-2021, 04:07 AM
RE: JTS Gettysburg pdt bug - by wildb - 08-30-2021, 06:49 AM
RE: JTS Gettysburg pdt bug - by logruspattern - 08-31-2021, 03:05 AM
RE: JTS Gettysburg pdt bug - by -72- - 10-15-2021, 08:46 AM

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