Winter Operations - Kharkov '43: Tiller Operational Campaigns Tournament No 2

[HMCS Rosthern]

We have 11 entrants where I can find 7 common games. They are PzC 01 Smolensk '41, PzC 03 Kharkov '42, PzC 05 Bulge '44, PzC 15 Stalingrad '42, PzC 16 Minsk '44, PzC 19 Kharkov 43, PzC 24 Scheldt '44. FWWC and MC are not in this tournament. 



There are 3 other entrants that own about half the games the others do, akilpio, mersh, and nim8or, and I can not find a common game amongst the 3 entrants plus the above 11 entrants - to make a total of 14 entrants. Taking one of the entrants  to make 12 entrants it works out this way. akilpio (makes 3 common games PzC 01 Smolensk '41, PzC 19 Kharkov 43, PzC 24 Scheldt '44), Mersh (makes 2 common games PzC 15 Stalingrad '42, PzC 24 Scheldt '44), nim8or (makes 2 common games PzC 01 Smolensk '41, PzC 05 Bulge '44). 

So reluctantly, I am going to have to drop Mersh and nim8or from the tournament, unless they want to purchase some titles (A tough ask just to enter a tournament). 

The tournament is open for additional entrants until September 30, 2359PDT.

[Fhil]

Hi Patric,

please count me to the Axis team.

[Steel God]

We have 11 entrants where I can find 7 common games. They are PzC 01 Smolensk '41, PzC 03 Kharkov '42, PzC 05 Bulge '44, PzC 15 Stalingrad '42, PzC 16 Minsk '44, PzC 19 Kharkov 43, PzC 24 Scheldt '44. FWWC and MC are not in this tournament. 



There are 3 other entrants that own about half the games the others do, akilpio, mersh, and nim8or, and I can not find a common game amongst the 3 entrants plus the above 11 entrants - to make a total of 14 entrants. Taking one of the entrants  to make 12 entrants it works out this way. akilpio (makes 3 common games PzC 01 Smolensk '41, PzC 19 Kharkov 43, PzC 24 Scheldt '44), Mersh (makes 2 common games PzC 15 Stalingrad '42, PzC 24 Scheldt '44), nim8or (makes 2 common games PzC 01 Smolensk '41, PzC 05 Bulge '44). 

So reluctantly, I am going to have to drop Mersh and nim8or from the tournament, unless they want to purchase some titles (A tough ask just to enter a tournament). 

The tournament is open for additional entrants until September 30, 2359PDT.

Asking not to cause you any trouble, but only to see if there is some way to get everyone that wants to play into your tournament.  Is there some minimum number of common games each participant must have in common with all other players?  Is it just 1 title common to all entrants?   Or three or five?

[Iceman]

We are at 12 which is the minimum number of entrants, so the tournament is on! I'd like to see some more entrants. I need an even number of entrants. Proposed Deadline for entrants is October 1.

Can you count me in too? Preferred team is Axis.

[HMCS Rosthern]

We have 11 entrants where I can find 7 common games. They are PzC 01 Smolensk '41, PzC 03 Kharkov '42, PzC 05 Bulge '44, PzC 15 Stalingrad '42, PzC 16 Minsk '44, PzC 19 Kharkov 43, PzC 24 Scheldt '44. FWWC and MC are not in this tournament. 



There are 3 other entrants that own about half the games the others do, akilpio, mersh, and nim8or, and I can not find a common game amongst the 3 entrants plus the above 11 entrants - to make a total of 14 entrants. Taking one of the entrants  to make 12 entrants it works out this way. akilpio (makes 3 common games PzC 01 Smolensk '41, PzC 19 Kharkov 43, PzC 24 Scheldt '44), Mersh (makes 2 common games PzC 15 Stalingrad '42, PzC 24 Scheldt '44), nim8or (makes 2 common games PzC 01 Smolensk '41, PzC 05 Bulge '44). 

So reluctantly, I am going to have to drop Mersh and nim8or from the tournament, unless they want to purchase some titles (A tough ask just to enter a tournament). 

The tournament is open for additional entrants until September 30, 2359PDT.

Asking not to cause you any trouble, but only to see if there is some way to get everyone that wants to play into your tournament.  Is there some minimum number of common games each participant must have in common with all other players?  Is it just 1 title common to all entrants?   Or three or five?

The issue is balancing out the scenarios over 6 rounds. By balancing I have to consider:
1. Giving the entrants equal opportunity on attack and on defense. E.g. If Sheldt '44 were the only title, there are very few appropriately sized scenarios putting Axis on the attack (first player).
2. It would not be fair if, for example, all the scenarios gave the Allies the advantage. As such I have to use the theBlitz.club scenario database and my own experience in making sure the selected scenarios do not give one team an advantage.
3. The more titles in scope the easier it is to select scenarios to meet the criteria. If it's one title, then all entrants without the title could not participate. On the other hand, for example, if Kharkov '43 were the title, due to the history of the campaign (initial Russian offence followed by an Axis counter attack) I could put together a tournament to meet some of the criteria. 
4. I don't want to rely on a mirrored tournament to remediate the issues.

This has been a learning experience for me, and in some ways with the initial tournament design I have painted myself into a corner. I'd welcome any ideas to let everyone play, except mirroring. Also, I apologize for any disappointment.

[Steel God]

We have 11 entrants where I can find 7 common games. They are PzC 01 Smolensk '41, PzC 03 Kharkov '42, PzC 05 Bulge '44, PzC 15 Stalingrad '42, PzC 16 Minsk '44, PzC 19 Kharkov 43, PzC 24 Scheldt '44. FWWC and MC are not in this tournament. 



There are 3 other entrants that own about half the games the others do, akilpio, mersh, and nim8or, and I can not find a common game amongst the 3 entrants plus the above 11 entrants - to make a total of 14 entrants. Taking one of the entrants  to make 12 entrants it works out this way. akilpio (makes 3 common games PzC 01 Smolensk '41, PzC 19 Kharkov 43, PzC 24 Scheldt '44), Mersh (makes 2 common games PzC 15 Stalingrad '42, PzC 24 Scheldt '44), nim8or (makes 2 common games PzC 01 Smolensk '41, PzC 05 Bulge '44). 

So reluctantly, I am going to have to drop Mersh and nim8or from the tournament, unless they want to purchase some titles (A tough ask just to enter a tournament). 

The tournament is open for additional entrants until September 30, 2359PDT.

Asking not to cause you any trouble, but only to see if there is some way to get everyone that wants to play into your tournament.  Is there some minimum number of common games each participant must have in common with all other players?  Is it just 1 title common to all entrants?   Or three or five?

The issue is balancing out the scenarios over 6 rounds. By balancing I have to consider:
1. Giving the entrants equal opportunity on attack and on defense. E.g. If Sheldt '44 were the only title, there are very few appropriately sized scenarios putting Axis on the attack (first player).
2. It would not be fair if, for example, all the scenarios gave the Allies the advantage. As such I have to use the theBlitz.club scenario database and my own experience in making sure the selected scenarios do not give one team an advantage.
3. The more titles in scope the easier it is to select scenarios to meet the criteria. If it's one title, then all entrants without the title could not participate. On the other hand, for example, if Kharkov '43 were the title, due to the history of the campaign (initial Russian offence followed by an Axis counter attack) I could put together a tournament to meet some of the criteria. 
4. I don't want to rely on a mirrored tournament to remediate the issues.

This has been a learning experience for me, and in some ways with the initial tournament design I have painted myself into a corner. I'd welcome any ideas to let everyone play, except mirroring. Also, I apologize for any disappointment.

Oh believe me, I understand your dilemma completely.  I'll send you a PM

[erick_repie]

HI,

FYI, i preferred played either side

Tks,

[HMCS Rosthern]

As you tell from the title I've made some decisions. This tournament will feature Kharkov '43. This title has a large inventory of completed games which gives a statistical sample of determining the bias in the scenarios. It also allows both teams to be on the attack and on the defense, as was the case historically. The scenarios are:



The average win percentage for the Allies is 42.5% and for the Axis is 46%. So the scenario selection gives a slight advantage to the Axis side, assuming the statistical sample is sufficient. 

The entrants are: 



If you have a question mark beside your name you have not indicated your preferred team. If you don't indicate your preference, I will assume you don't care.

I will entertain additional entrants, but obviously they must own Kharkov '43. Deadline for entrants is Friday, October 4, 2359PDT. The Round 1 pairings will be posted on Saturday October 5, and Round 1 starts Saturday, October 6, and ends Saturday, November 23, 2024.

[Plain Ian]

As you tell from the title I've made some decisions. This tournament will feature Kharkov '43. This title has a large inventory of completed games which gives a statistical sample of determining the bias in the scenarios. It also allows both teams to be on the attack and on the defense, as was the case historically. The scenarios are:



The entrants are: 



If you have a question mark beside your name you have not indicated your preferred team. If you don't indicate your preference, I will assume you don't care.

I will entertain additional entrants, but obviously they must own Kharkov '43. Deadline for entrants is Friday, October 4, 2359PDT. The Round 1 pairings will be posted on Saturday October 5, and Round 1 starts Saturday, October 6, and ends Saturday, November 23, 2024.

Sorry to derail things but I'll need a quick replacement as I don't have Kharkov '43. 
I've got Kharkov '42. I'd love to buy the game so I could play in the competition but I already have too many 'winter' PzC titles. 

So sorry about that. Need a quick replacement folks. Lets get this competition started . 

Ian in Dundee

[HMCS Rosthern]

As you tell from the title I've made some decisions. This tournament will feature Kharkov '43. This title has a large inventory of completed games which gives a statistical sample of determining the bias in the scenarios. It also allows both teams to be on the attack and on the defense, as was the case historically. The scenarios are:



The entrants are: 



If you have a question mark beside your name you have not indicated your preferred team. If you don't indicate your preference, I will assume you don't care.

I will entertain additional entrants, but obviously they must own Kharkov '43. Deadline for entrants is Friday, October 4, 2359PDT. The Round 1 pairings will be posted on Saturday October 5, and Round 1 starts Saturday, October 6, and ends Saturday, November 23, 2024.

Sorry to derail things but I'll need a quick replacement as I don't have Kharkov '43. 
I've got Kharkov '42. I'd love to buy the game so I could play in the competition but I already have too many 'winter' PzC titles. 

So sorry about that. Need a quick replacement folks. Lets get this competition started . 

Ian in Dundee

Your profile lists Kharkov '43 as one of the games you own. Must be a mistake. Anyway, no problem.