Extreme assault?

[Herr Straße Laufer]

This one favors the Brits. Sorry guys but if is the scenario you are using to say EA is broken then you are a bit off.

I agree wholeheartedly.
Except for the fact that we were not talking about whether the Brits can win or lose with extreme assault turned on.

The example used was about one Mg platoon holding up a battalion of the Brits for 8 turns. After turn one the Mg platoon was continuosly disrupted and/or reduced each turn. By the fourth turn it was surrounded and continuously assaulted from different hexes, multiple times, after it was disrupted by artillery and direct fire.
Each turn it repelled the assaults (or should I say the attacker's die roll failed) and the MG platoon went on to recover morale. My opponent used it's three AP's firing, at close range, to decimate adjacent platoons but, the real effect was holding up the entire progress of two Brit battalions.
On turn nine, after the barrage had once again disrupted the Mg platoon and reduced it to one strength point, I volly fired and destroyed the mg platoon.

And, the reason I thought the game should not be played with extreme assault on is for the German player. With extreme assault turned on the German would not have a prayer to retake any victory hex using minimal force.

The discussion was never about the specific scenario. It was about extreme assault and it's reliance on a single game engine die roll.
Every scenario, every game played, is effected when using extreme assault.

That was the simple point that a few are trying to make. I don't want the "crew" to think that scenarios are the problem, extreme assault is the problem.

RR

[Hawk Kriegsman]

Actually RR,

mwest's post #73 appears to be bashing the scenario and Alphon's response stating that EA does not affect this scenario.

I actually agree with him in that regard. This one favors the Brits enough that the EA assault issue is a non issue.

And with respect to the mg platoon issue he faced. That happens. The opposite also haapens too where you shoot that same mg platoon a couple times and it evaporates.

Thanx!

Hawk

[Kool Kat]

Actually RR,

mwest's post #73 appears to be bashing the scenario and Alphon's response stating that EA does not affect this scenario.

I actually agree with him in that regard. This one favors the Brits enough that the EA assault issue is a non issue.

And with respect to the mg platoon issue he faced. That happens. The opposite also haapens too where you shoot that same mg platoon a couple times and it evaporates.

Thanx!

Hawk

Hawk:

How about I respond directly to you? :cool:

My initial post was about the effects of EA in game play and I was using a recently played scenario as an example.

However, I will disagree (and continue to disagree) with Alfons and any other player who makes a statement that the use of EA does not effect a scenario.

Every scenario, every game played, is effected when using extreme assault.

Ed states it as explicit as possible. :smoke:

[Hawk Kriegsman]

Hawk:

How about I respond directly to you? :cool:

Alrighty

However, I will disagree (and continue to disagree) with Alfons and any other player who makes a statement that the use of EA does not effect a scenario.

That is not what Alfons or I said.

Alphons said this in post #70:

I looked at the scn file. It doesn't look to be a scn that is really much affected by EA.

He said that EA did not have much impact on the scenario. He did not say none.

I said this in post #80 (Bolding added)

With respect to all, extreme assault has no effect on the outcome of this scenario....period.

Again read what is written. I did not say that EA has no effect on this scenario. I said it had no effect on the outcome. I also said this was a bad example of a scenario to use when complaining about EA.

Here is what I mean. This assumes the Brit player is competent and both players are of equal abilities.

With the 1.02 assault rules the Brits win big and well before the alloted time.

With EA the Brits get a major win that is harder and may take the full alloted time to do so.

EA does not effect the outcome of the scenario. The Brits should win 90% of the time.

EA has no effect on the outcome of this scenario.

Every scenario, every game played, is effected when using extreme assault.

I never stated otherwise.

Ed states it as explicit as possible. :smoke:

He is good like that.

Thanx!

Hawk

[Kool Kat]

Let me give a concise and explicit response - that leaves no room for any ambiguous interpretation? :chin:

Every scenario, every game played, is effected when using extreme assault. (Thanks Ed!)

I referenced an example of EA in a recently played scenario to illustrate what I experienced with the use of EA.

I NEVER discussed EA's impact on the scenario outcome. I was discussing EA's impact on game flow and player enjoyment. Other players keep pointing out that the "Unexpected" scenario outcome is the same, whether using EA or not. THAT IS NOT MY POINT!!

My point, and please read this carefully... is that EA severely impacts game flow and reduces game enjoyment for me. And YES, EA was the reason that "Unexpected" was a painful experience for me.

So, again, I have a solution to EA. I just don't use it. :smoke:

But it is regrettable that we only have two "extremes" when it comes to selecting assault options. :chin:

[Hawk Kriegsman]

Let me give a concise and explicit response - that leaves no room for any ambiguous interpretation? :chin:

I fully understood your posts. I interpreted nothing ambiguosly.

Every scenario, every game played, is effected when using extreme assault. (Thanks Ed!)

Yes this point has already been agreed upon. Some very minimally (like Unexpected). Some unbelievable (A Familiar Enemy comes to mind).

I referenced an example of EA in a recently played scenario to illustrate what I experienced with the use of EA.

Yes you did. Which Alphons took the time to look at and respond to.

I NEVER discussed EA's impact on the scenario outcome.

I would humbly ask that you read your posts before making such statements. In response to Alphons you wrote in post #73

But every victory point is located in town hexes surrounded by trenches and bunkers with nearly every approach avenue defended by troops in trenches and bunkers defending in woods and hill hexes?? !!

This in fact would be an example of you discusing EA impact on the outcome of the scenario.

You further went on to take a shot at Alphons (which is strictly the domain of Mr. RR) also in post #73 here:

Wow! :chin:

Actually, your reply is rather scary and somewhat enlightening, especially coming from a scenario designer. It tells me that some scenario designers do not understand the impacts of EA on either game design, flow, or victory conditions. It also tells me that these same individuals (with just a cursory glance at scenarios they have never played), readily dismiss other players' (who actually PLAYED and COMPLETED scenarios using EA) comments on the impact of EA to scenarios. Wow! :chin:

If you solicite for opinions and comments expect to get them.

I was discussing EA's impact on game flow and player enjoyment. Other players keep pointing out that the "Unexpected" scenario outcome is the same, whether using EA or not. THAT IS NOT MY POINT!!

Is this in keeping with (see post #79):

I also try to maintain a fairly "thick skin"

What I am seeing is a whole lot of :hissy:by you.

My point, and please read this carefully...

You left out that you were typing slowly to make the insult to me complete!

is that EA severely impacts game flow and reduces game enjoyment for me. And YES, EA was the reason that "Unexpected" was a painful experience for me.

Very good, you hate it, don't use it.

So, again, I have a solution to EA. I just don't use it. :smoke:

No, what you have is YOUR solution to EA.

But it is regrettable that we only have two "extremes" when it comes to selecting assault options. :chin:

You actually have a 3rd option. Don't play.

Thanx!

Hawk

[Kool Kat]

You actually have a 3rd option. Don't play.

Thanx!

Hawk

Gents:

I apologize for any inappropriate comments (explicit or implied) that I have made in this thread.

In the future, I will strive to do a better job of offering constructive (not destructive) CS posts.

I have also reflected on Hawk's statements and our exchanges... and believe that it is best for me follow through with Option #3 - which is not play CS for now.

Both the time commitment and priorization of playing CS need to be re-evaluated by me, especially in regards to other real life obligations and priorities. So, I will be resigning from my PBeM CS matches and will notify my opponents in a separate email.

Again, please accept my apologies... and all the best in your CS games!

[Hawk Kriegsman]

I apologize for any inappropriate comments (explicit or implied) that I have made in this thread.

Inappropriate? I don't think so. Edgy yes, but then that happens around here.

In the future, I will strive to do a better job of offering constructive (not destructive) CS posts.

I believe by in large your posts are constructive.

I have also reflected on Hawk's statements and our exchanges... and believe that it is best for me follow through with Option #3 - which is not play CS for now.

I certainly was not advocating you do that. If I gave you that idea I apologize.

Both the time commitment and priorization of playing CS need to be re-evaluated by me, especially in regards to other real life obligations and priorities. So, I will be resigning from my PBeM CS matches and will notify my opponents in a separate email.

Might I suggest you finish your current matches and take on no new ones.

Again, please accept my apologies... and all the best in your CS games!

I don't think you have done anything wrong.

If you have any issue with me send me a PM or e-mail.

Thanx!

Hawk

[Herr Straße Laufer]

**shakes head** :(

More troubles that "extreme assault" has brought to the community?
:censored: :chin:

RR

[Huib Versloot]

**shakes head** :(

More troubles that "extreme assault" has brought to the community?
:censored: :chin:

RR

OMG
As he is fairly new here; maybe he should just stop playing you, and he'll have a less negative attitude... just a thought. I wonder what you've everything told him while you guys were playing 'unexpected'. Your statement that the scn should not be played with extreme assault because of the GERMAN chances was rather unconvincing, especially where the initial complaints were about Germans holding out too long.

Huib