Another quick matrix-question...

R Zimmerman · 05-07-2009, 01:46 AM,

After re-play, a message comes up that turn has been saved more than twice. I've cancelled it but it keeps returning on all subsequent turns. I understand the message, what it means, and all of that... My question is: once it's been cancelled, does it mean that EACH turn is being saved more than twice? Or does it keep re-appearing regardless...

Thanks!

**Jason Petho** · 05-07-2009, 01:48 AM,

R Zimmerman Wrote:once it's been cancelled, does it mean that EACH turn is being saved more than twice?

Yes, that is correct. Each turn it is being saved more than twice.

Jason Petho

Trojan · 05-07-2009, 07:03 AM,

What is the 'etiquette' regarding this? I only have to save during a turn if somebody else in the household wants to use the PC and that's not often. Why would somebody need to be saving repeatedly during a turn in a small scenario? Presumably there is a reason this is registered and reported at the start of the subsequent turn.
Does this also register if someone 'exits' without saving, which I assume is considered 'bad form' as one could re-play a poor move?(Although I did this once accidentally when I was being hassled to get off the computer!)

Kool Kat · 05-07-2009, 07:41 AM,

Trojan Wrote:What is the 'etiquette' regarding this? I only have to save during a turn if somebody else in the household wants to use the PC and that's not often. Why would somebody need to be saving repeatedly during a turn in a small scenario? Presumably there is a reason this is registered and reported at the start of the subsequent turn.
Does this also register if someone 'exits' without saving, which I assume is considered 'bad form' as one could re-play a poor move?(Although I did this once accidentally when I was being hassled to get off the computer!)

Maybe communicate with your opponent and ask why so many turn saves? :chin:

Von Earlmann · (This post was last modified: 05-07-2009, 08:06 AM by Von Earlmann.)

Trojan Wrote:What is the 'etiquette' regarding this? I only have to save during a turn if somebody else in the household wants to use the PC and that's not often. Why would somebody need to be saving repeatedly during a turn in a small scenario? Presumably there is a reason this is registered and reported at the start of the subsequent turn.
Does this also register if someone 'exits' without saving, which I assume is considered 'bad form' as one could re-play a poor move?(Although I did this once accidentally when I was being hassled to get off the computer!)

Trojan,
I have encountered turns where for some reason my comp will give me a message of "windows has encountered an error and needs to close". It will usually happen in the midlle of a turn I am playing and forces me to start over. I don't know if this registers as a save or not,nor do I know if voluntarily leaving the game without saving registers.When that happens I save the turn after every 2 or 3 moves so as not to have restart again. I have never figured out why it does this. It will not do it every turn nor every scenario but when it decides to fight me I have to save a lot to finish the turn. Don't know if anyone else has encountered this or not. probably I am doing something wrong but darned if I can figure out what.

VE

Trojan · 05-07-2009, 11:45 AM,

I just found this in the 'readme' file. Seems to suggest it is designed to prevent 'replaying', so perhaps it does register exiting without saving as well? Does anyone else know for sure?

'Save Game Counter (1.03): This counts how many times the game has been
saved and reopened, and will display that information in the turn Dialog at the
start of a turn for the opponent. This information is installed in the registry of
the game so it cannot be tampered with. After TWO saves from player A, the
game is supposed to flash a warning to the Player B that the file has had
multiple saves. While not perfect, it should help curb some replaying.'

Incidentally this isn't to suggest I suspect any of my opponents of any skulduggery! From Von Earlmanns post there are obviously legitimate reasons for this to occur.

**Scud** · 05-07-2009, 12:10 PM,

Von Earlmann Wrote:Don't know if anyone else has encountered this or not. probably I am doing something wrong but darned if I can figure out what.

Give me some computer specs and I can at least give you some troubleshooting hints. Do you get that message any other times or only playing the game?

Trojan Wrote:I just found this in the 'readme' file. Seems to suggest it is designed to prevent 'replaying', so perhaps it does register exiting without saving as well? Does anyone else know for sure?

I don't know for sure, but seems to me I remember reading that it will register without saving, maybe by registering opening the file rather than saving, but Jason can clarify. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just let your opponent know you save a lot and why.

Von Luck · 05-08-2009, 06:09 AM,

Nope ive had the same prob Earl on 1 or 2 occasians then you get the prob of PC locks half way through a turn with some newer scenarios frustrating to say the least when it's a large scenario.Smaller scenarios i dont see the point of saving every 4 moves ect but large ones yes.40 minutes playing 2/3rds of a large scenario and something goes wrong yep ill save it quite a lot.

Von Luck · 05-08-2009, 06:13 AM,

Problem with the 2 save thing is there is away round it without it saying so.I dont do it but most member's will have figured it out.

**Scud** · 05-08-2009, 06:38 AM,

Von Luck Wrote:Nope ive had the same prob Earl on 1 or 2 occasians then you get the prob of PC locks half way through a turn with some newer scenarios frustrating to say the least when it's a large scenario.Smaller scenarios i dont see the point of saving every 4 moves ect but large ones yes.40 minutes playing 2/3rds of a large scenario and something goes wrong yep ill save it quite a lot.

Next time it happens go here: Start Menu\Control Panel\Administrative Tools and open the event viewer. On the left will be choices for different logs, (application, security, system...) Click on a log and check the entries on the right. There should be an entry corresponding to the time your game bombed. Double click the entry. Then click the link that will take you to Microsoft's site which, every now and then, will actually tell you what caused it (or at least give you a clue).

The error that's happening to you guys is way too generic to troubleshoot. If it's happening well into large scenarios, I'd hazard a guess that it's memory related. Not enough RAM (or bad RAM if it happens in other apps), page file too small, not enough room left on your hard drive. Then again, it could be caused by corrupt files; corruption often occurs from files that were open when a bomb occurred. Reinstalling the game might fix things and is probably the easiest thing to try.

Could also be hardware related, but if it only happens when playing this game, then probably not. If you both have the same type of video card, though, then that might be an issue. Still, I doubt it.

Wish I could be of more help.

Older computer guys will readily understand multiple saving. Control-S is ingrained in our souls. No one I work with lets five minutes go by without a save. Too many times having worked on a graphic for hours when the power went out or the old Mac bombed not to have learned that lesson.