Quick ladder question...

[Von Luck]

:stir::stir::stir:Only person kicking your butt Ed is your better half when you plead for more beer DOH BEER.Only joking mate dont take it serious.:stir::stir::stir:

[Hawk Kriegsman]

So, my 1949 ELO means most players will kick my butt? :chin:

This CS player would not agree with your "interpretation" Ed?

I would!! :whis:

I keed, I keed! :bow:

Thanx!

Hawk

[Von Luck]

Time to get Foghorn Leghorn to take out that little chickenhawk Erik:stir::stir::stir:

[umbro]

So, my 1949 ELO means most players will kick my butt? :chin:

Though, my .511 Win/Loss % says different. How does that happen?
(And, a clue, it isn't from losing to players better or worse than me.) :kill::smg:

There are flaws in ELO that do not particularly reflect "skills". :smoke:

RR

Ed:

I am going to assume that you are serious for a second. :-)

1949 ELO, .511 Win/Loss implies that you play most of your games against players with an ELO below 2000.

For example, you have played fully 20% of your games against Laza who has an ELO of 1916, and another 10% against Tanker Mike with an ELO of 2080, but have lost 2/3rds of those games.

umbro

P.S. Please don't shoot me, I am simply the messenger.

[Herr Straße Laufer]

So, my 1949 ELO means most players will kick my butt?

Though, my .511 Win/Loss % says different. How does that happen?
(And, a clue, it isn't from losing to players better or worse than me.)

There are flaws in ELO that do not particularly reflect "skills". :smoke:

RR

Ed:

I am going to assume that you are serious for a second. :-)

1949 ELO, .511 Win/Loss implies that you play most of your games against players with an ELO below 2000. (For example, you have played full 20% of your games against Laza who has an ELO of 1916).

umbro

P.S. Please don't shoot me, I am simply the messenger.

LOL! I am serious ... and I only shoot those who need shooting!
Maybe that is why my ELO is so low? ;)

Actually, I think it might also be from reporting games with lesser victory levels against players who were starting out and were "not quite high in ELO themselves"? Probably another 30% of my games total? "Just how many draws does he have", you may ask?

Or, taking losses against players who would not report a draw when ending a game early (due to the scenarios obvious lack of balance and any remaining "fun" in playing it out). Or, offering players, with higher (and/or lower) ELO scores than mine, draws or minor losses in games that may have been equally unbalanced?

So then, my poor "Chicken Farmer" of an opponent is a slacker and hurt my ELO? :chin: He will not like hearing that. I'm not too fond of hearing that too. When I played him his ELO was much higher. :smoke:
Or was it all those new players that I "gifted" wins and/or draws to, while helping them learn the game without the normal "frustration" of getting their asses kicked and reported as such, are really dragging down my ELO? :eek1:

And, I am sure that Tiger88 will be surprised to see that all those games I played against him barely register?

So, as I stated, my ELO is not a reflection of my ability as much as my .511 win/loss percentage? :P

I hope you did not break anything by being serious for more than a second? :bow:



RR

[umbro]

Some good points here:
1) ELO is calculated when the game is reported using the two players current ELO scores.
2) Level of victory IS significant (as are draws), you gain more points for a greater victory.
3) ELO is a zero sum game, if one player gains points the other will lose a similar number.
4) Playing newbies would ordinarily have a positive effect on your ELO as they (presumably) have an inflated ELO by starting at 2000.
5) Nice guys finish last - you are obviously too nice a guy Ed!

umbro

[Herr Straße Laufer]

Some good points here:
1) ELO is calculated when the game is reported using the two players current ELO scores.
2) Level of victory IS significant (as are draws), you gain more points for a greater victory.
3) ELO is a zero sum game, if one player gains points the other will lose a similar number.
4) Playing newbies would ordinarily have a positive effect on your ELO as they (presumably) have an inflated ELO by starting at 2000.
5) Nice guys finish last - you are obviously too nice a guy Ed!

umbro

I never wanted to be first? I've always been most proud of my wooden cross awards over any others. ;)

Nor, did the newbies mind gaining a gratuitous win or a draw when they had no forces left on the map? :smoke:
ELO also does not count the thousands of words of instruction, included in e-mails, written to help out those who needed to learn how to play better?
I don't count "best" as the highest ELO or the highest Win/Loss ratio.
I'm neither a ladder position whore. Nor do I play all the time to win.
I do often just stop playing those who do. I may have wanted them to bring more to "the table" and am often dissappointed when they don't. :(

Nor do I throw the lead around in a hap hazard manner. As I am often portrayed? Though, recently I am more willing to call a spade a spade when it is called for. And, screw the consequences? :chin:



Ed

[Chuck10mtn]

Hi Ed,
As a person who you have " gifted " more than my share of draws don't let a number get to you. You are one of the top players for anyone to play. You showed me more about how to play, than years of playing the computer. I am probably personally responsable for you being under 2000.I know from playing you that the numbers don't mean that much to you, All I can tell you is to keep having fun, when the game gets to be too much like work you'll have to quit we all have a job already.

Chuck

[Herr Straße Laufer]

Hi Chuck,

Thanks!
I know there are many others.
The discussion about ELO being the most accurate descriptor of a player's ability on the ladder has revealed it's flaws. Anything based on player input (or player preference) will have flaws.
I thought that would be the case when it was argued into implementation. I thought win/loss percentage was enough of an indicator. :smoke:
We all know there are more to players than great ELO numbers's or win/loss ratios?



Ed

[Mojo26]

We all know there are more to players than great ELO numbers's or win/loss ratios?

Fun factor (as in an engaging, friendly, and interesting opponent), learning experience, and fair challenge...what else could one ask for?

:)