Old Bolt stuff

[Aaron]

Updated 5.0

[Crazy Dutch]

7. French 13ème RDP was an LRRP unit and since no LRRP units are represented they have been removed

32. The 9 Soviet Army Level Spetsnaz units have switched to the recon type,(thats the bad news) good news is the 2 East German, 2 Czech and 3 Polish army level recon type have been added. Added graphics. Spetsnaz type units determined to act behind enemy lines.Each Warsaw Pact tank and motor rifle army (also Polish and Czechoslovakian) had such a company. According to WP doctrine they were supposed to act over 40 km behind front line (depth less than 40 km was reserved for divisional recon units). Main tasks included secret recon, sabotage and attacking NATO HQs and Lance units.

You say no LRRP units, but these Warsaw Pact units where in fact LRRP units with recon as primary task. The NATO LRRP units has the same tasks.

[Ostland [SPR]]

Heres the Link to BOTB 4.4, included in the download is the changelog and the new values which if u want a quick reference will print out onto 5 pages plus if u think some values are screwy on a certain unit you can always check the sheet to see if thats how it is suppose to be.

Aaron

http://rapidshare.com/files/277061050/Bolt_4.4.rar

Very good work ! Thanks for SP-SAM units and amphibious recon company (BRM,BMP,BRDM) Soviet Army.

[Aaron]

You say no LRRP units, but these Warsaw Pact units where in fact LRRP units with recon as primary task. The NATO LRRP units has the same tasks.

NATO
LRRPs conduct passive, deep penetration (up to 150km) intelligence collection missions. Once inserted, the Patrols establish well-concealed observation posts placing enemy routes under surveillance and reporting their movements. Other LRRP missions include point, area, and route reconnaissance. It must be emphasised that LRRPs do not conduct direct action missions. Their role is to collect and report information while undertaking extreme measures to remain undetected by the enemy and civilians.

WARSAW PACT
Each Warsaw Pact tank and motor rifle army (also Polish and Czechoslovakian) had such a company. According to WP doctrine they were supposed to act over 40 km behind front line (depth less than 40 km was reserved for divisional recon units). Main tasks included secret recon, sabotage and attacking NATO HQs and Lance units.

yes u r correct in that there main mission was recon but they did have secondary missions that included direct action and the NATO LRRPs did not on everything i could find. The values are different between the 2 types with the range reduced to 1 which makes it alot less survivable in direct action missions and should help keep the player from using them for that purpose or risk losing them quickly.

Aaron

[Epoletov [SPR].]

[/u]Not clearly.
The distance of that hex in hex it is located AA-unit is considered ?!

"2S6" - 3 hex (art.weapon= 4,0 km; SAM weapon=9,0 km) should be 6-7 hex
"SA-13" - 4 hex (SAM weapon= 5,0 km) should be 3 hex
"Gepard" - 2 hex (art.weapon= 4,0 km) should be 2-3 hex
"Roland" - 5 hex (SAM weapon= 6,0 km) should be 4 hex
"Vulcan" - - 1 hex (ar.weapon= 1,5 km) Edited 12/09/09.
M48A1 "Chaparral" - 4 hex (SAM weapon= 4,0 km) should be 2-3 hex.



SA-13 - soviet name 9K35 "Strela-10" (NATO - SA-13 "Gopher")
2S6 - soviet name 2K22 "Tunguska" (NATO - SA-19 "Grison")
SA-6 - soviet name 2K12 "Kub" (NATO - SA-6 "Gainful")
SA-8 - soviet name 9K33M3 "Osa-AKM" (NATO - SA-8 "Gecko")
SA-4 - soviet name 2K11 "Krug" (NATO - SA-4 "Ganef")
Hawk - name "I-Hawk" or "Improved Hawk"



BRDM-AT - amphibious vechicle
SA-13 - amphibious vechicle
M901-TOW - amphibious vechicle
Strela-1M - amphibious vechicle



T-72B - have guided weapon --> range to hard target = 2 hex.



Marder-1A3 - no have Thermal Imegine.
Leopard-1A5 - no have Thermal Imegine (?).
M901A1 - have Thermal Imegine
Jaguar-2 - have Thermal Imegine

[Aaron]

Im in a hurry but your numbers dont match my numbers, u can go to 10 different websites and find different numbers on 6 of them, off the top of my head b/c i talked to Midge about it a couple weeks ago is the Vulcan had a 1500 eff range against air targets and something like 2500 against ground, 1 hex it is, to tell u the truth by 89 Vulcans were ineffective against air targets thats why they wanted a replacement, most of them were being used for infantry support by 89.

BRDM-AT and M901 were not amphib on 8 out of 10 websites.

Marder 1a3 and Leo1a5 did have thermal.

We talk about the tank launch ATGMs but tanks did not carry many of them and did not feel they deserved a range of 2.

Have to go later.

Aaron

[Epoletov [SPR].]

Ок.
Soon there will be facts from the Internet. :stir:

[Epoletov [SPR].]

BRDM-2 (9P148) - Amphibious armoured car
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M901-TOW - Amphibious unit
Water speed = 3,6 mph

Link # 2

Link #3

Marder 1a3 and Leo1a5 did have thermal.

You are right.

We talk about the tank launch ATGMs but tanks did not carry many of them and did not feel they deserved a range of 2.

Why T-80 bears ATGM rounds, and T-72B is not present (in a design is available) ?

Midge about it a couple weeks ago is the Vulcan had a 1500 eff range against air targets and something like 2500 against ground, 1 hex it is, to tell u the truth by 89 Vulcans were ineffective against air targets thats why they wanted a replacement, most of them were being used for infantry support by 89.

M163A2 "Vulcan"
Ok - 1500 m - 1 hex in game.

[Midge]

Taz is away so i'll try and help.

I had the original OOB before Taz posted it and BRDM Was amphibious so this may be an oversight.

Not convinced M901 is amphibious in so much as it can just start "swimming" with little or no preperation !

The 2 hex range for the T-80 is due to the laser rangefinder fitted to it not the ATGM systems. The limit of the rangefinder on the T-72 was approx 2000m hence the 1 hex range.

[Epoletov [SPR].]

I had the original OOB before Taz posted it and BRDM Was amphibious so this may be an oversight.

Recon BRDM - amphibians.
But BRDM-AT - not amphibians in " Bolt of the Blue 4.4 ".

Not convinced M901 is amphibious in so much as it can just start "swimming" with little or no preperation !

M109 it is made from M-113.
In fact it is an amphibian ?! :chin: