Bolt out of the Blue 5.3

[Elxaime]

One more small question that has puzzled me for awhile.

The three Chieftain units of the UK 32 Armored Engineer Regiment of the BAOR are flagged for mine/clear, but won't lay mines when you try and give them that command. I haven't tried to clear mines with them yet, but I assume that the way the PzC system works they won't clear mines either. They are flagged for demolition, but there aren't any real obstacles for them to clear so I haven't tested yet whether they can do that.

According to the Wiki:

"32 Armoured Engineer Regiment had three squadrons each of 4 troops, a total of 72 tanks. Each troop had 3 AVREs and 3 AVLBs (bridge layers). The AVRE has a wide range of capabilities including launching fascines (large pipe bundles) into anti tank ditches, laying trackway, clearing mines, dozing and destroying enemy strong points. The bridge layer can lay a scissor bridge over a gap up to 23m wide or a fixed bridge over smaller gaps up to 12m. The complete launching sequence takes less than five minutes. Larger gaps can be crossed using bridges in combination."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Assault..._Engineers

The above and presence of the AVLB's suggests the 32 Regiment may also be given a bridge-laying ability.

Given this is a unique unit more or less descended from the WW2 "Funnies" I can see how it would be difficult to model.

But right now the only thing UK 32 Armored Engineers can do is dig trenches.

Is this WAD? Or did the OOB have a glitch?

32 Armoured Engineer Regt RE
Location: Dennis Bks, Munsterlager
 RHQ & HQ Sqn
 26 Armoured Engineer Sqn
 31 Armoured Engineer Sqn
 77 Armoured Engineer Sqn
 Wksp REME
Notes: Each Sqn Consisted of SHQ, 4x Armd Eng Tps, Support Tp, & REME Sect. REME Wksp contains a RAOC Stores Sect. In 1989 the Sqns fielded the following equipment:
 26 & 31 Sqns (each) - 9x CHIEFTAIN AVLB (6x No.8 Bridges & 5x No.9 Bridges), 5x SCAMMELL CRUSADERS (for the No. 9 Bridges), 6x CENTURION AVRE 165 (with 165mm Demolition gun), and 3x CENTURION AVRE 105 (with 105mm tank gun).
 77 Sqn- 9x CHIEFTAIN AVLB (4x No.8 Bridges & 6x No.9 Bridges), 5x SCAMMELL CRUSADERS (for the No. 9 Bridges), 6x CENTURION AVRE 165 (with 165mm Demolition gun), and 4x CHIEFTAIN AVRE (The “Willich” Chieftains) Source: “One More River to Cross: The Story of British Military Bridging. Col J H Joiner.”
Further Notes: Initially each Armd Div would receive 1x Armd Eng Sqn. After Engineer Trials in 1988/89 it was planned for each Armd Div to have 2x Eng Regts (the three existing Div Eng Regts, the two Corps Eng Regts, & 32 Armd Eng Regt) with 5x Armd/Field Sqns & 1x Field Support Sqn divided between them. The Corps engineers would then consist of 28 Amphib. Eng Regt, 43 Plant Sqn, 65 Corps Support Sqn, & 1x Corps Armd Eng Sqn.

the first post in this thread towards the bottom youll find a link to a BAOR oob, if you download that it will tell you everything u need to know about BAOR.

That's informative, but my question went more towards their functionality in the game. They are flagged for mine/clear, but cannot lay or clear mines. According to the above, they appear to have bridges, but cannot lay bridges in the game. All they seem to be able to do in the game is dig.

I am fine with that - I assume a design decision was made on how best to treat a mixed unit.

I just wanted to confirm if that was the case, and not that the units were flagged wrong or some unit characteristic in the OOB was wrongly inputted.

[Aaron]

• Mine Clearing – unit is capable of clearing mine fields. This includes Engineer units but also units such as flail tanks.

• Demolition Unit – unit is designed to demolish obstacles, minefields, and fortifications.

This is what is suppose to be happening with its flags, a test would have to be set up to see if it is working properly but yes it is suppose to be able to clear mines.

As far as AVLBs they do not get a unit in the game because then you could bridge rivers with them which they could not, you need pontoons for that. Now where the AVLB units are represented is the fact that you can tear ass across Germany without worrying about minor rivers,streams and such which arnt on the map but would be there. You gotta see AVLBs as being there traveling with your units keeping them movin along.

Aaron

[Elxaime]

• Mine Clearing – unit is capable of clearing mine fields. This includes Engineer units but also units such as flail tanks.

• Demolition Unit – unit is designed to demolish obstacles, minefields, and fortifications.

This is what is suppose to be happening with its flags, a test would have to be set up to see if it is working properly but yes it is suppose to be able to clear mines.

As far as AVLBs they do not get a unit in the game because then you could bridge rivers with them which they could not, you need pontoons for that. Now where the AVLB units are represented is the fact that you can tear ass across Germany without worrying about minor rivers,streams and such which arnt on the map but would be there. You gotta see AVLBs as being there traveling with your units keeping them movin along.

Aaron

OK, I ran some tests and here are the results:

32 Armored Engineer units: can clear mines/obstacles but cannot lay mines; cannot dig in (presumably because they are marked DEMOLITION)

Warsaw Pact flail tanks: can clear mines/obstacles but also cannot lay mines; however they CAN dig in (not marked DEMOLITION)

Interestingly, while the Pact flail tanks can clear minefields/obstacles without loss, the AVRE, as DEMOLITION flagged units, take losses every time they do so.

Is the above WAD?

I realize this is a tiny fragment of the action. But I am just trying to figure out how to use these babies.

[Aaron]

When used as a demo unit yes it always takes losses. I have never used them myself really so dont know exactly how it works with having the 2 flags because if used to mine clear using the mine clear flag it should clear mines like any other unit but using the demo flag to clear mines it would take losses.

It was originally designed to clear obstacles as it would have IRL but as you stated there is really none to clear

[Aolain]

Question on the map for 5.3.

The map looks good, but for me, in 2D magnified view, many of the hexes are blacked out.

Could this be my video card?

3D and other views are all fine.

[Aaron]

Question on the map for 5.3.

The map looks good, but for me, in 2D magnified view, many of the hexes are blacked out.

Could this be my video card?

3D and other views are all fine.

Dont know, could you somehow not have all the map files? Screenshot?

[Aolain]

Question on the map for 5.3.

The map looks good, but for me, in 2D magnified view, many of the hexes are blacked out.

Could this be my video card?

3D and other views are all fine.

Dont know, could you somehow not have all the map files? Screenshot?

I deleted the map file from "Bolt" folder. Unzipped and replaced a new Bolt map folder, and same problem...hmmm.

The same issue exists on my "Regular" maps, not associated with "Bolt." They have the new map, but lots of black space in 2D magnified.

Perhaps download the map from the original site? "map mod" isn't it?

[Ricky B]

The problem is not in the map file. You would see an error message in that case.

My best guess is the graphics file for the view is corrupted in some way. If you are using a mix of add ons you may just need to reapply them.

Rick

[Aaron]

Question on the map for 5.3.

The map looks good, but for me, in 2D magnified view, many of the hexes are blacked out.

Could this be my video card?

3D and other views are all fine.

Dont know, could you somehow not have all the map files? Screenshot?

I deleted the map file from "Bolt" folder. Unzipped and replaced a new Bolt map folder, and same problem...hmmm.

The same issue exists on my "Regular" maps, not associated with "Bolt." They have the new map, but lots of black space in 2D magnified.

Perhaps download the map from the original site? "map mod" isn't it?

Ya redownload from mapmod.

[Cassanos]

I've been trying to download 5.3, but 4Share doesn't seem to be working for me. Are the files mirrored somewhere else or can somebody maybe put them in a Dropbox folder for me?
Much appreciated :).