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Campaign System - Easymeat - 09-23-2007 This post is to see if there is any interest in a Campaign System for CM. CMC does not look like it is going to be released. I have written a program to read unit names as a proof of concept. All other details can be read such as Eliminated, routed, ammo, tired, kills etc. These will be added later. I will upload the Unit Names program tomorrow evening. A database will be used to store the details. The text file is just a temporary measure. The database will enable bookkeeping so that a campaign can be managed. The campaign can be between 2 to 64 players depending on how the campaign is set up. Also linking battles together with the same OOBs will be possible, for example Sie Kommen. The final programs will access the data structures directly but image recognition will suffice for now. In the campaign system all units will be given a unique name. CM does not give a unique name (see Monty's Gambit). So special names will be used. Getting the unit details out of CM is easy, putting the details back into CM will be easy. Such as unit name, ammo, rested, fatigued, crack, regular etc. Immobilised vehicles will need the data structure altered to reflect the change in state, this cannot be done in the editor. Writing the campaign system will not be so straight forward as many factors need to be taken into account. Continuity is a must. If there is no interest fine otherwise lets get the ball rolling and get a project started. Sample output from Test of Courage before reinforcements arrive: a ? mark is an unrecognised character which needs adding to the character array. Allies Lt Dominati Cpl Lelouttre Cpl Davoine Cpl Bret Cpl Dolez Cpl Jamot Cpl Inchaupse Cpl Bateux Cpl Gayard Cpl Facon Sgt Sauges Cpl Nallet Cpl Hage Cpl Freche Cpl Gollat Cpl Sanchez Cpl Rossi Cpl Fortas Cpl Vernaudon Cpl Blum Cpl Soucy Cpl Dronne Cpl Imbert Cpl Estrosi Cpl Bois Cpl LeDeaut Cpl Houillon Cpl Rousselle Cpl Vergnier Cpl Dord Cpl Brial Cpl Liegeois Cpl Jacquot Sgt Albert Cpl Debre Cpl Trochu Cpl Clergau Cpl Bernadotte Cpl Briand Cpl Blisko Cpl Aubron Cpl Ben Said Cpl Delattre Cpl Froger Cpl Bodson Lt Verdier Sgt Floch Sgt Ranier Sgt Tyrode Sgt Tavernier Lt Teissier Sgt Gateaud Sgt Legrand Sgt Pinard Sgt Balace Lt Kert Sgt Neri Sgt Desfontaines Sgt Patriat Lt Kalajian Sgt Vavarro Sgt Stone Sgt Dieterich Sgt Harris Cpt Gaubert Lt Cathala Sgt Montcorget Sgt Ben Abbes Sgt Fabius Cpl Forissier Lt Tramoni Sgt Dauge Sgt Collon Sgt Olivier Cpl Blanc Lt Valleix Cpl Sarrazac Cpl Vanzini Cpl Dubois Cpl Leroy Cpl Montane Cpt Touflet Lt Bonrepaux Cpl Roman Lt Vos Cpl Morvan Cpl Lemmens Cpl Ben Lahcen Cpl Darcis Cpl Collignon Lt Collins Sgt Roth Sgt Forbes Lt Jacobs Sgt Lopez Sgt Buynak Sgt Weire Sgt Rousselle Lt Barroux Sgt Capet Sgt LeBris Sgt Rogemont Lt Larson Sgt Krumin Sgt White Sgt Shealy Sgt Cox Cpt Vannson Lt Yamagne Sgt Veyret Sgt Baroin Sgt Vachet Lt Maret Sgt Bulligand Sgt Grammont Sgt LeDrain Lt Dayan Sgt Fousseret Sgt Rimbert Sgt Sorret Lt Walker Sgt Dyer Sgt Fudickar Sgt Constable Sgt Atchison Lt Ben Larbi Sgt Ayrault Sgt Sauvadet Sgt Mariot Com *Billotte Axis Unt Krause Unt Gratz Unt Geller Unt Spicher Obg Hammerstein Obg Schoenberg Obg Palowski Obg Losigkeit Obg Schepke Obg Hartwein Obg Frommer Obg Sch?te Obg Bussemass Obg Kroner Obg Kastein Obg Schenck Obg Kowalczyk Obg Zoeller Obg Hollinger Obg Buchbinder Obg Ostermann Obg Sch?ler Obg Schimanski Lt ?Junghannis Unt Dregger Unt Von Lorenhoven Unt Priller Unt Erdmann Lt Schwanenberg Unt Oppeln Unt Polreich Unt Steindl Unt Schroeder Lt Bayer Unt Lobethal Unt Kienast Unt Dollmann Unt Burkhalter Hpt Tr?ger Lt von Steuben Unt Hauer Unt Dultz Unt Hubmann Obg Jens Lt Ziervogel Unt Wollak Unt Protzner Unt R?sl Obg Bahr Lt Kunze Unt Bischoff Unt Engstler Unt Sutthoff Obg Meyer Lt Gaschler Obg Von Suttner Obg Kubler Obg Wedemeyer Obg Altkeller Obg Gerhardt Maj ?Boltze RE: Campaign System - Smashing(FGM) - 09-23-2007 wow..yes interested. RE: Campaign System - Mad Russian - 09-23-2007 Several of us have been working on a project called Op CM. This is where there is a higher level of management for the battles. An operation or a campaign. Normandy, Stalingrad, Kursk, Market Garden...whatever. Then a map is made, OOB's are made and the operation runs for so many "turns/battles". The administrator then upgrades the units and new battles get generated. Is this what you have in mind? Good Hunting. MR RE: Campaign System - Mad Russian - 09-23-2007 The very large issue that arose during playtesting of Op CM is that we strive to make CM battles balanced in everything we do. In actual warfare the generals are striving for the exact opposite of that. They are trying to get a situation that very much has the odds in their favor. This doesn't make for FUN CM games to be played out for one side. You end up with a situation where you play ten lopsided games to get one that is balanced. Outside of the Domination style of campaign I don't know what to do to correct that aspect of higher level combat being played out on a tactical level. Good Hunting. MR RE: Campaign System - Easymeat - 09-24-2007 There is no error checking in this program use at your own risk. Some will be added later in the week plus a few bells and whistles. The program code is easy to read and no obfuscation has been used. How to use: Start CMAK, start the scenario you want to examine. Make sure the cursor is not in the unit info bar Atl Tab out of CMAK Run "CM Unit Name Reader" Click on "Create Unit Text File" Click on CMAK to bring it into focus you have 10 seconds before the program starts examining the units Program will go from unit to unit and create a file named C:unitdata.txt After the file has been created focus will change to CreateUnitTextFile Close msgbox close program CreateUnitTextFile A few things that will be added: Allow user to choose save directory All data will be captured including kills Program will wait for CM there will be no time limit Button to change the speed the program goes from unit to unit Add a few pictures to the form and buttons Change the icon to something more suitable Make the code neater and comments more meaningful Finally remember it is a work in progress. RE: Campaign System - Easymeat - 09-24-2007 All games of this type run the risk of one side winning early in the battle or campaign. Mad Russian The very large issue that arose during playtesting of Op CM is that we strive to make CM battles balanced in everything we do. In actual warfare the generals are striving for the exact opposite of that. They are trying to get a situation that very much has the odds in their favor. This doesn't make for FUN CM games to be played out for one side. That is the point of CM. Each player makes decisions hoping that they will affect the balance of the game. Battles and Campaigns have victory conditions and a player/team can always resign. If all things taken into account each side starts with the ability to meet the victory conditions and like the battle or campaign being played then there should be no problem if one side loses. Above all CM should be fun for both sides win or lose (preferably win). RE: Campaign System - Mad Russian - 09-24-2007 Easymeat Wrote:All games of this type run the risk of one side winning early in the battle or campaign. What I'm saying is that if you do a campaign of sorts other than QB's with any kind of high level operational military actions the commanders directing those units are going to try their best to make them VERY UNBALANCED! In real warfare you don't win fair fights! You don't even fight them if you can avoid it. Here in CM we strive for that balanced fight. I'm still looking to see what can be done the Op CM concept I don't think is it. Maybe Bootie and I can adapt it somehow. Good Hunting. MR RE: Campaign System - Copper - 09-24-2007 Yeah we need something to stick a red hot poker up its ass as it died a death. The thing is as Ive said from the start... if it aint a simple concept you get bogged and it dies. Ive seen it many many times over the years. What we need to try and do is possibly automate some of the process to take the strain of the co-ordinators. No idea how to do it but there you have it in a nutshell... if its left to a person to do it may be fine at first but will soon die. And as MR has mentioned unfair battles arent fun but they are realistic. Can you ever get a campaign like that to work?? RE: Campaign System - Mad Russian - 09-24-2007 For me the entire issue of going on was that the battles were unbalanced. Who wants to either surrender by turn 10 every time or have your opponent surrendering by turn 10 every time? We all came to fight and win. Not just hit the go button a few times and then leave. The process wasn't the problem. That was IMO simple enough. There was a great deal of historical accuracy but it was not going to be balanced but whenever both sides messed up. You as the commander on the attack don't want a balanced fight. The FUN factor was missing. Good Hunting. MR RE: Campaign System - Ratzki - 09-24-2007 I am interested but have little computer skills to help. Now opinions/suggestions and playtesting I can do. |
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