NGP^85: Range fire Soviet and NATO tanks?

Mike Abberton · 07-19-2007, 09:23 AM,

Right, it is really not worth the effort to change the original OOBs since it has been that way for years. However, I can see how any future games could be justified in changing it to two hex range if desired.

Aaron · (This post was last modified: 07-19-2007, 09:27 AM by Aaron.)

Just a note my oob is for 89 and i did change the value to 2 b/c GSFG always got the goods first, also change amx-30b2 to 2 but kept the reg model at 1.
And yes theres no reason to change it when u can change it yourself

Aaron

Titan · 07-19-2007, 02:40 PM,

Really none of the soviet tanks should have a range greater then one for a host of reason. First off there crews were mostly concripts with vertually no NCO corp. They lacked gunnery training. There fire control systeme where not even up to par with western standards and second the Rapier rocket system they used is irrelavant for game purposes. First off they carried a very limited supply 2 to 4 rounds, 2nd it is highly unlikley that it would be able to penatrate Chobham armour at that range. A great reference to read about western armor vs Soviets is to go to Ospery Publishing and they have a book on the possable out come of a war between Warsaw Pact and Nato. Sorry for the grammer and spelling its late.

shortreengage · (This post was last modified: 07-19-2007, 04:21 PM by shortreengage.)

Aaron · 07-20-2007, 05:04 AM,

T-72 had a range of 3000m, an effective range of 2100m its not like it couldnt engage targets over 2100m. If u factor in that the upgrades in the 80's and the AT missile i dont c how it cant b a range of 2. If its not 2 than u have to revisit nato tanks, the amx-30b2 is 1, maybe the leopard 1A2/a3 models and m-60a1 model b/c it didnt have an effective range of 3000m like the leo2 and m1. I think u also have to look at the Hard att value, theres a big difference between having a range of 2 with hard att 28, def 24 and a range of 2 hard att 34, def 34. A leo is going to win at that range everytime hands down.

Aaron

Mike Abberton · (This post was last modified: 07-20-2007, 05:29 AM by Mike Abberton.)

Mike Abberton · (This post was last modified: 07-20-2007, 07:57 AM by Mike Abberton.)

shortreengage · (This post was last modified: 07-20-2007, 06:39 AM by shortreengage.)

Yes, gun T-72 shoots not so precisely further 2000м.
ATGM have established on T-72B1 in 1985, hence they cannot be in NGP^85.

T-72 - range fire = 1 hex.

Fire Control at Leopard-1 A4, A5 it is much better, than at T-72A.

But max eff range 105mm gun Leopard-1 = 2400m, it is less, than 2 hex / mile.
Then range fire Leopard-1 = 1 hex?

What do you think of it?

Leopard - 1A5

Mike Abberton · 07-20-2007, 07:55 AM,

Yes, I would agree that the Leopard 1 (but not the M60A3 nor the Chieftan Mk.V) should have a range of 1. This is another "one of those things" that was done in the OOB and perpetuated. But it could probably be justified either way as well.